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In Reply to: RE: Hardly. posted by huubdas on April 30, 2015 at 08:11:46
But you could say that about most any component type or cable type and many speakers too.
So?
Follow Ups:
Many innocent non-technical music lovers are upgrading their gear, buying remastered reissues of their favorite music without realizing being victims of the big digital scam. Digital is NO HIGH FIDELITY and never will be despite upgrading ad infinitum.
So..... Just a warning, no more.
Vinyl, a good simple valve amp and open baffles or big loudspeakers will do.
If I thought you had even an inlkling of well-trained ears I'd ask, "You wanna' bet?"But based on your last statement, it sounds like way too much of a crapshoot.
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Stehno,The only choice I have to hear recordings of my favorite music is:
VINYL and CD. (no SACD, no choice, dead medium)(sucks to)
Normal musiclovers have no access to mastertapes or studiotapes.
After 25 years of CD's, upgrading, buying reissues "from the original mastertapes" I came to the conclusion that digital is a big mistake soundwise.Let the goero's talk, let the technical people talk. It helps to pass the time, but resolves nothing for the musiclovers that are conned.
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In the general sense, you are correct about CD's dismal performance, including higher rez formats too.
But if you were being completely intellectually honest, you would also admit that your preferred vinyl format is only marginally better, if that.
Agreed?
I mean, if you hate 5-week old stale bread, is 4-week old stale bread really that much better?
Agreed.
Unfortunately CD's are no replacement for my vinyl.
In the beginning I thought so but it turned out to be a disappointment.
Spend a lot over the years just to find out it's a major setback soundwise.
A convenient setback however.
All tales about upgrading, reissues, tweaking: all big wishfull thinking.
Again, I stick to vinyl for relaxed listening to my favorite music, the only format for the mass consumer with glorious analogue music. CD's for casual listening in the car, kitchen, garden.
I am a mass consumer just like anybody and analogue vinyl is the only way to go, reel to reel, cassettes virtually extinct.
I think that anybody must be able to buy a good setup that is satisfying.
Regarding digital this is not possible, I know nobody who is satisfyed and the ones that upgrade and tweak are temporary satisfied.
I'm glad to hear you agree. Most could not.
But if so, why be so dogmatic over 4-week old stale bread vs 5-wekk old stale bread?
What if I can prove you wrong about digital? Not the digital's actual that you've already heard thousands of time, but digital's potential unlike anything you've ever heard? Even using Redbook only 60's music like The Tokens "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" circa 1961 or Diana Ross and the Supremes' "Baby Love"?
What's in it for me if I can demonstrate digital's potential roughly the equivalent of 1-day old bread (not stale)?
Stehno,
I know the potential of CD's. My own piano and guitar recordings on CD-r via computer are perfect, on cassette it sucks, especially piano. Soundwise, musically speaking I still prefer cassettes.
My favorite music is from the fifties, bluegrass, r&r, r&b, country and opera, piano, violin concerto's. Full dynamics, natural sound, especially mono.
CD reissues give me headache, modern recordings also, no dynamics, much too much manipulation, reverb, compression.
The only thing I wanted to say and see response is: digital is not HIFI and doesn't top my best analogue recordings and now I know that I'm not the only one, so my mind is at ease, time for music now, have a good weekend.
All that technical talk, all technical talk about one isolated item from the guru's doesn't resolve anything. Digital is inherently defective, it's in my opinion a big scam especially the expensive gear and all the promises, advertisements. Do you remember the men in spacesuit's at the manufacturing plants when CD's were the new hot thing ? A big con.
CDs almost never sound as good as a standard cassette. Tape is a natural medium. It breathes. Even going to the extreme with CD treatments, isolation, the whole nine yards, CDs by and large sound hollow, deaden, thin, boomy, compressed, threadbare and sick.
hardly,
Cassettes also analogue!
For the innocent consumer nowaday's the choice to get their favorite music is CD or VINYL. Cassettes almost distinct here. SACD sucks to, dead medium also.
Normal consumers like me go to the shop for CD and VINYL because the good choice of music.
Mastertapes, Studiotapes not for the consumer, special hifi recordings be it CD, download, vinyl or whatever consists of lousy music or test "muzak".
But CD's are not HIGH FIDELITY as I wrote earlier. It hurts my ears and brain.
Nothing wrong with vinyl. It is also an inherently good medium, like tape. But cassette tape is much more dynamic especially on portable systems. You don't get all the distortion caused by much wire, cables, Transformers, capacitors, fuses, House AC. It's SO obvious. CDs sound strangled by comparison. Portable cassette players and CD players frequently have their own built in isolation systems, e.g., oil filled dampers, anti roll capability, not to mention data buffering.
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Absolutely right Geoff.
But as consumer there is no choice to buy my favorite music on cassette.
But wonderfull to make my own compilations of absolute favorite music. Own recordings of my piano and guitar satisfying, but piano never without flutter. Recordings on CD-r via computer very good but sonically not really satisfying indeed. Digital misses something, sounds dead unlike analogue.
From 1 kHz on very low level equals very low resolution: CD's , the medium for the masses never HIFI.
Simple, cheap good sound: valves, vinyl, big loudspeakers.
See picture.Every minus 6 dB is 1 bit less resolution.
Now you're getting smart.
;-)
It's either that or spend the rest of my life speculating while pretending to have first-hand knowledge and experience in these forums.
You know what I mean. ;)
I may be a little slow but I'm ahead of you. I went to portables some time ago.God doesn't play with dice.
;-)
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Why do you call me Good Lord?
For I am a mere mortal like you. Well, sorta' like you.
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