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In Reply to: RE: Dacs with a great bass. posted by beppe61 on April 08, 2015 at 10:25:29
Do you listen to much live music? Is it deficient too?
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beppe61 may, in fact, mean 'extended', 'accurate' and/or perhaps 'articulate'.
Big J
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Hi and it depends.
I attended some concerts from my seat i did not like the sound completely.
On the contrary i had the opportunity to listen to some hifi systems and i was amazed by the quality of sound.
In general i would prefer a very good system instead of going to a live performance.
I do not like the additional noise. I listen very seldom to live music.
Just another consideration.
One of the last concert i have been the sound was completely amplified.
Is this live music ? i am just asking.
As i said some systems are so good that the brain is quite fooled into believing that is the real thing.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
Sorry, I think you need to hear more live music. hope you're not the guy who pulled up alongside me in that ccar shaking from bass
he needs an honest reply to a completely legitimate question.
This is an audio hobby board, NOT a live music review board.
Try to stay focused!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
We have all sat beside a car with thumping all bass noise. I can crank up my bass with an EQ but it is not realistic. This may be what he is asking for.
The only thing that sounds like a grand piano is, big surprise, a grand piano
If you want to add 20 Db at 50 Hz great, but don't kid yourself that you are a knowledgable audio hobbyist, or that what you are listening to is music.
And I am listening to 15 inch tannoys right now
do you mean that speakers are more fundamental than dacs ?
It could be the case that actually i am focusing the wrong element of the chain.
I understand that even the greatest bass dac around cannot give bass with a minimonitor.
Thanks for the advice.
Kind regards,
bg
Edits: 04/10/15
A subwoofer could help those Tannoy 609 mk II's. They are very nice but I would not expect those woofer to be able to dip very low. Size does matter.
Dave
Hi and thanks for the valuable advice.
I see better now that a full range system implies inevitably full range speakers.
So it is the 1st step in order to be able to appreciate also a better source/dac. Surely my dac is very cheap.
But speakers first.
I wonder if it is not the case of changing them completely instead of adding a sub. I am a little scared by complex system and a sub (or 2) would add complexity.
I have to think about it a little more seriously.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
It really is not that complex to hook up a sub. My preferred method is from the preamp outs to the sub and roll the base in under the satellites without any filtration of the signal to the main speakers. Then I adjust by ear,
Dave
Hi and i am not excluding the sub idea but i would do it with an active x-over.
And actually this is my long term best solution, with two bass boxes one per side below speakers taking care of the portion from 100-150 up.
Those could be almost everything, from panel to widebands.
Yes that would be my definitive system.
I have come to the conclusion that low bass need indeed a serious 15" cone.
I had the opportunity to listen to a pair of old JBL L-200 ... loved them completely in the bass. Just perfect for me. I cannot ask of more.
But above 100 Hz i am open to different solutions, like panels for instance.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
Hi i do not understand
Do you mean that if i listened to more live music i would change my mind about the importance of a strong bass ?
Let me explain why i "need" bass.
I spent many many years with a decent pair of bookshelves ,,, with a 13 cm woofer.
I thought i was hearing music. Instead i was not.
I realized this at a friend's house listening to a pair of vintage JBLs L-200 ... wow !!! what a difference ...
A bass so powerful, full, musical ... giving body to the sound.
So now i am obsessed by bass response and many dac are weak on the bass.
Wadias are not weak but they are very expensive and rare as 2nd hand units.
I wonder if something cheaper can give a decent performance.
For instance i am listening to a Cambridge Audio dacmagic now ... weak.
Maybe i should try a different power supply ?
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
Here we get into the argument about "natural" or "absolute " sound, ie do we want to be impressed or hear what's on the disc.
Hi i thought a little and i think i am ready to answer
I would like to get something that impresses me with its realism.
I am looking for a more real than real experience.
Call it the feeling to be there without having to bother with concert booking, the unwanted noise, the coughs ...
For instance i like much more recordings taken without the pubblic.
Sometimes i have found this kind of experience told by reviewers reviewing some exceptional product. I am referring to reviews in Stereophile like those of Rockport Antares speakers, Stax headphones, etc.
At certain moments the reviewers were fooled to hear the real thing.
This is just amazing.
When, blindfolde, you are not sure to listen to a recording or to a real performance.
I understand not easy to get, but still ...
Thanks and regards.
Kind regards,
bg
I think the best live sound I have heard was the Washington Chamber Orchestra playing Felix Mendelsohn in a small, but well designed auditorium and there was no amplification. No sound system I have ever heard could match it.
Dave
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