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In Reply to: RE: Actually here they offer a " PCM63 ) PCM1704K DAC Upgrade " posted by beppe61 on February 02, 2015 at 23:12:06
I have heard both versions of the Monarchy Audio M24 DAC, the first version (mine) with PCM63K chips and the NM24 with PCM1704K chips. I preferred the sound of the older one...so did a friend of mine who then went out of his way to find an older one.
Now, the 1704K version is very good but something relating to the "analogness" of the older chips kept me from getting mine upgraded.
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Hi and thanks a lot for the helpful reply.
If the older cheap sounds more analog the newer one is hardly an upgrade.
Why they have stopped producing the old is a mistery.
At least for the cost no object units, for which the best parts available should be a must.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
And then decide for yourself.Stereophile on the release of the 1704.
Lessloss with a (whiff of a) passing comment on the 1704/63.
Monarchy on the 2 DACs.
Lynn Olson making some more in-depth comparisons with delta/sigma dacs.
I find the 1704 to sound tremendously resolute and portray fantastic scale, offering scary-good bass performance. If I had the 63 instead, I'd still be happy to use it, but the implementation of either will be key.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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Interestingly, the PCM63 has a more robust current output than the 1704, which makes it more friendly for passive I/V conversion (the Monarchy uses just a resistor). I once inquired about the 1704 upgrade and was told by CC that the 1704 wouldn't work in that design...a couple of years later he came out with the 1704 in the Monarchy!
I am probably one of the few who has had both side by side in very resolution systems (Apogee Grand, Acoustat etc.). Both are great but I find the 63 version to be just about as resolute but with a bit less edge to the sound.
I might well look for a good design using the 63. I think folk like Tent Labs still have stock of the K edition. Aside from the Monarchy, what's your favourite 63 DAC?
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
The BAT VKD5 was pretty good but perhaps a bit dark sounding. Later they switched to the 1704 and it was also good.
THe EAD DSP 7000 was also quite good sounding.
Krell's KPS20i was quite a machine but it still sounded a bit solid state.
But probably the best one I heard was the Theta DS Pro Gen V. That is a machine I definitely wouldn't mind having today.
That said, the whole Monarchy lineup, M22A,B,C, M24 and M33 all used the PCM63 and all sound great.
I am keeping an eye out for the Schiit Yggdrasil, for precisely that reason (Theta DS Pro Gen V designer). If it ever arrives...
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Hi and thanks again for the helpful advice
You are right because i see very high end units (especially pro) that use common dac chips like the Prism Sound Orpheus using a cheap CS4398
So maybe i should focus more on a complete dac
Even a very top dac chip is not guarantee of good sound per se
Thanks again
Kind regards,
bg
Well, I am sure that the designer either thinks it is an upgrade or just didn't have PCM63s available anymore.
Hi and yes of course
I am pretty sure they are both fantastic dac chips anyway
interesting list even if i am afraid difficult to find
If i had a top dac i would keep it very close to me ... a precious piece of the chain indeed.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
Edits: 02/05/15
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