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Been thoroughly enjoying the performance of the OPPO 105D for music only.
Using the USB thumb drive has improved performance signficantly while using my iPad mini as a music server controller makes for a pleasant user interface.
I'd like to now advance to an SSD for my music but I'm unsure how the SSD should be formatted. I've already tried mac OS extended - journaled and copied about 10GB of music onto that SSD to try. The OPPO recognizes the SSD device but shows zero objects on the drive.
My primary computer is my macbook pro 2014. I tried formatting the SSD's partition to Windows NTFS but then using my mac, I couldn't copy music to the SSD on my mac treating the SSD as though it were locked.
Any suggestions on how or what to format the SSD to, so that the music is readable by the OPPO and so I can also use my mac to freely move music on and off the SSD?
Any suggestions are much appreciated,
Follow Ups:
So here's the problem. I think.
My particular SSD is a 3-year 240GB OCZ SATA III drive.
My external passive (no AC) drive case is a USB 3.0 capability. It does not specify 2.0.
The disk activity light in the ext. case was obnoxiously bright. So I disabled it thinking that might free up just enough USB voltage that could now be used by the SSD. This actually made matters worse.
I then tried a USB 2.0 cloning cable and that seems to work well.
I also tried a 10-year old 5.25" 200GB external HDD active (requires AC) and that too works well.
So my guess is the problem with using the OPPO's USB 2.0 ports and external USB drives has more to do with the use of USB 3.0 at the external case.
Anyway, thanks everybody for your suggestions.
nt
Edits: 03/04/15
Thanks for the note.
I've not checked the specs on my OCZ SSD. I bought 3 OCZ drives about 3 years ago and then discovered a year later that OCZ had some fairly serious quality issues. But I can't say I've experienced any.
But perhaps one of those quality issues is this SSD requires maybe a tad more power than the usual?
Someday I'll purchase a larger SSD by another mfg'er and I'll be mindful of the current drawing specs.
I was surprised that disabling the very bright ext. case light made matters worse.
Anyway, I just purchased on eBay a 2.0 ext SSD enclosure so we'll see if that works with this drive next week sometime.
nt
Edits: 03/04/15
Personnally I would not put any beleif upon the lack of power supply, as a SSD has lower requirements
While not likely the cause of his problems, testing for this possibility is simple enough with the $5 Y cable I mentioned. Some SSDs can consume more power than the 5v 1000mA available via the Oppo USB port.
Abe, just wanted to drop you (and the others) a note that today I received my external SSD case for USB 2.0 only and it works with the same SSD drive without issue.
So it seems that it was my external case with USB 3.0 only interface that was the cause and/or its voltage requirements.
I also received a Y-USB cable that someday I'll try with the external USB 3.0 only case and my guess that too will work but I'll save that for another time.
Thanks again for your help here.
And thanks for dropping us the note to let us know.
Thanks, Abe and Lesage.
Abe, I've got a USB 2.0 only ext drive case enroute and comes with a Y USB cable.
So I'll be able to confirm the power thing.
At present, the same SSD is working with my USB 2.0 disk duplicator cable.
I'll post what happens. Thanks again for working with me here.
nt
Edits: 02/10/15 03/04/15
- Supported USB drives can be formatted with the FAT (File Allocation Table), FAT32 or NTFS (New Technology File System) file system.
- The BDP-105 is equipped with three USB ports: one on the front panel and two on the back. You may use any of the available USB ports to plug in a USB drive.
- The USB ports are rated to provide a maximum of 5V, 1000mA power to the USB drive. It is sufficient for USB thumb drives and flash memory card readers, but may not be sufficient for USB hard disks. It is recommended to check with your drive manufacturer for power requirements, or use an external power supply.
It will not like a USB 3.0 drive, USB 2.0 only. My BDP 93 has no problem reading USB thumb drives as well as powered external USB 2.0 drives. But it absolutely will not read my external, powered USB 3.0 Seagate 3.0 TB drive.
So, you should probably consider formatting the SSD as NTFS (this is what I use on all of my powered, external USB drives) and see how that works. But the SSD will probably need to have its own power supply, I doubt the Oppo provides enough power from their USB port...
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Since plugging in a 10 year old external 200gb HDD drive that requires AC and not experiencing any issues, it seems you're right on the money.
BTW, Abe Collins provided a youtube video of a guy attaching a 1 or 2TB external SSD (no AC) and not having issues. I wonder if some SSD's suck up a bit more juice than others.
Thanks for the note.
If you want the ability to drag and drop music files and folders to your USB drive on your Mac you will need to stay with the MS-DOS (FAT) format -or- possibly ExFAT as your Mac will not write to a NTFS disk. However, I believe the Oppo supports MS-DOS (FAT).
A USB 3.0 external drive should be backward compatible with your Oppo USB 2.0 port, but maybe there's something about it that prevents it from working properly.
As rlw alluded to, you might want to try a basic USB 2.0 external drive. The other option is to install your SSD in a USB 2.0 enclosure.... unless that's already the case? Do you know?
If your external disk is USB 3.0 the connector style should mate up with the left connector type shown on this cable.
Well, Abe. Everything was working great. Downloaded a bunch more music to my SSD drive and really loving it.
Last night I ripped and burned a Pink Floyd DVD concert to the SSD and walked over to plug it into the OPPO and there was a nice little spark between the USB plug and OPPO port.
Electrostatis dischage and I zapped my 240GB SSD. I forgot first to touch my all steel rack first which acts as a nice discharge post.
Lucky for me the OPPO is fine.
That's about 50 hours of work down the tubes as I only had about half the music backed up.
Oh, yeah, I almost forget.
On the simple ext. case that my SSD is housed in, has a very very bright blue light that is obnoxious and blinks constantly when music plays.
I plan to somehow turn that light off, which might free up just enough juice for the SSD to function properly.
I'll let you know.
Thanks, Abe.
The SSD drive itself is a SATA III drive and I believe USB 3.0 compatible or capable. The external housing is supposely USB 3.0 / 2.0.
Yes, perhaps an external case that is only USB 2.0 compatible would do the trick.
Based on the picture you display, I've not seen the USB connector on the left before. I always thought USB 3.0 and 2.0 used the same connectors at both ends.
It kinda' chaps my hide that in that video you showed earlier that guy had a simple external multi-terabyte SSD drive hooked up to his OPPO with a single USB cable and without any apparent issues.
And I hate the idea of having an external drive that I have to plug into the wall for AC power.
Thanks for your help. I've been shopping ebay but I'm thinking I might head over to bestbuy for the external case and/or Y USB cable.
Use your Mac's Disk Utility to partition/format the SSD using the MS-DOS (FAT) filesystem and see if the Oppo will recognize it. The Mac will be able to read and write to it.Or with a bit more effort you can make your Mac able to Write to a NTFS filesystem. Link below. However, I would try using MS-DOS FAT first as described above and shown in the screen shot example below.
Edits: 02/03/15
Partitioning my 240GB SSD into 3 80GB partitions helped. But it still loses its way after maybe 1 or 2 songs. Can have pauses upwards of 60 - 90 seconds or more.
I think it may be specific to the SSD drive.
But I'm now looking into a few other alternatives at the moment.
EDIT: I had another thought. Not being familiar with your SSD or the USB port on the Oppo raises a couple more questions:- What SSD is it? What type of enclosure is the SSD housed in and is there a USB 2 or USB 3 connection on the enclosure?
- What happens if you get a USB Y cable and supply extra power to the SSD? The thought being, there might be sufficient power from your USB port for the thumb drive but it might be marginal for powering the SSD. Although, SSDs do not draw a whole lot of power. Just a thought.
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If I'm not mistaken your goal was to Read & Write files & folders to the SSD using the Mac.
Is that working?
AND the SSD has to be compatible with the Oppo.
Is the Oppo able to play music from the SSD?
If you are experiencing drop-outs or long pauses in audio it is most likely not the newly partitioned & formatted SSD but I have not read the Oppo manual and do not know it's specific disk & file requirements.
Have you tried a standard USB non-SSD hard drive?
I would be surprised if the Oppo cannot read a MS-DOS FAT formatted disk... the Mac can.
If the Oppo is more inclined to read SD cards and USB sticks then formatting the SSD using ExFAT might be an another option that jusbe mentioned in this thread. Again, you can use the Mac's built-in Disk Utility.
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Thanks for your input, Abe.
Tonight I tried the EXT-FAT (last night the DOS-FAT) and single partition. I heard 5 seconds of music before hanging for minutes and I finally gave up waiting.
So you have no problems with your Samsung 512GB SSD?
My SSD is a 3 year old OCZ. OCZ turned out to be a questionable performer as far as SSD's go. So perhaps a better quality and slightly better energy efficiency SSD would do the trick.
Thanks for your help.
- I have no problems with my Samsung 512GB SSD but I'm not using it with an Oppo.- Can you now reliably read / write to your SSD with no issues? Does it stall or stutter under normal use, like it does when attached to your Oppo?
- Have you tried a basic 2.5" portable USB (non-SSD) disk drive instead on the Oppo?
- Have you considered contacting Oppo support? Perhaps there's newer firmware than what's on your unit. Is it updated with the latest firmware?
According to this guy on YouTube his external USB drive works just fine on his Oppo
Edits: 02/05/15 02/05/15
Thanks for digging up that video, Abe.
No issues with the SSD elsewhere as I recently took it out of my other macbook pro and reformatted and downloaded my music to it using USB cable and port.
Just tried a 10 year old 200GB external HDD plugged into the OPPO and works fine.
So I suspect as you do that perhaps this particular SSD is lacking just enough juice to fly right.
I'd love to have the SSD hooked up to my router (rather than the OPPO) and play from there. However, it seems my 4 year old Netgear router has issues supporting that USB port.
So I could try the Y USB cable that you suggested, get another SSD, or get a new router with a working USB port.
Thanks for your time investment.
Thanks for your note.
So that's a use for the Y USB cable, eh?
My intent for music is to simply use the 240GB SSD just as I have flawlessly been using my 128GB thumb drive at the OPPO.
Of course when I want to add music I'd like to attach the SSD to my macbook pro to do so.
From my listening room using my iPad and OPPO app I've had no difficulty connecting to my son's computer in his room about 40 ft. away and on another floor, locate his iTunes folder and play his music on the OPPO.
Pretty cool. But if I can do that why the hangup on simply attaching an SSD locally to the OPPO?
This evening I upgraded my Netgear router's firmware, reformatted the SSD to EXT FAT (1 partition), reloaded the music onto the SSD, and am now attempting to plug the SSD into my router's USB port. Since I can play music from my son's computer on the OPPO, why not try likewise with the SSD in a remote room?
At the same time, I'll try connecting the SSD with the new EXT FAT format and single partition once more directly to the OPPO to see if that works.
Kind of a pain, but if either option works, I'll be in hog heaven.
Thanks for the help.
If this works, even better.
Thanks, Abe. That worked.
Well, sort of. It's very flaky playing on the OPPO.
The most it played before hanging is 30 seconds of music.
I've rebooted the OPPO and replugged in the 240GB SSD several times and thus far that's the best I can do.
I see you've got a 512GB SSD with just one 512GB partition. Have you experienced any issues there?
I'm trying now 3 80GB partitions to see if that might tidy things up a bit.
If this doesn't work, I'll try formatting the disk using NTFS and 3 partitions formatted with MS DOS FAT.
Until now I've been using a 128GB Thumb drive without issue.
I love all the OPPO does, but it's OS can be a bit flaky at times.
Thanks,
Edited!My original reply, below, was based on my misinterpretation of the OP's situation. I had assumed he wanted to use an external USB-connected SSD.
Since he is using an SSD internal to his MAC, the matter depends only on how the MAC addresses the SSD. I am far from expert on this but it would seem that, if the MAC can see/edit the files with the MAC OS, it might be a matter of how the Oppo is looking for the files and what the format of those files is.
Original post: On page 43 of my 105 manual (must be a similar page in the 105D manual), it states "Supported USB drives must be formatted with the FAT (File Allocation Table), FAT32 or NTFS (New Technology File System) file system." No Mac FS are mentioned.
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Actually, Kal, my intention is to use an external USB SSD.
I have the manual but again, I've already tried formatting for Windows NTFS, but after doing so I can't transfer any music to the SSD drive when plugged into my macbook pro. Almost like the SSD is locked.
When I format the drive for the mac os extended journaled, I can transfer music to it. The OPPO recognizes the SSD when I plug it in but it shows zero objects, even thought there's 10GB of music on the SSD.
Looks like this:
The Mac recognizes the drive and files when set up with Mac OS but the Oppo will not.
The Oppo will recognize the Win-formatted disc but you cannot load files from the Mac.
Can't help you. If you want to use the Oppo this way, my suggestion is to use a PC and not the Mac (and that's what I do.)
Thanks, Kal. That was going to be my next attempt but my wife's laptop is a POS.
That should work. Maybe it's time I try using bootcamp (windows on mac).
Try the mac again with journeling DISABLED.
Too much is never enough
I think that works on Mac and PC, IIRC.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Yeah, tried that tonight. I got to hear 5 seconds of music before it paused and never returned.
This SSD is several years old and perhaps needs a few extra mv than the OPPO is providing via the USB port.
I would think that formatting an SSD is really only important to the
component were the SSD will be located as this is just a simple filing
system operational language that allows the drive to... operate.
The only thing the drive that you might be transferring files to is interested in is the format of those "files" not the "drive" they're coming
from as it already has an operational filing system & will use it accordingly
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