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In Reply to: RE: For the Audio Note NOS guys - New technology coming from AN. posted by AudioSoul on July 24, 2014 at 07:52:23
There are two turntables that look the same. The entry level is this one
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How could that possibly provide any more than mediocre performance? ;-)
He never said he didn't and ever since the webpage has been up he has said if something exists that already works he will use it. The "specific" Rega tone arm worked.
Rega stopped making the tone arm. Audio Note now makes their own and much better tonearms.
How do you know they're better?
Edits: 07/25/14
Because I've tried them both because I had the TT2 with a Rega tone arm. I heard the player with the AN tonearm. That's how. So have many others. The AN Tone-arm as a stand alone piece is being viewed as a giant killer tone arm - people are dumping their much more costly SME arms for them. To be fair to Rega though the AN arm is a much more serious piece of engineering and considerably more expensive.
What people? How many?
It's no secret that you're an Audio Note fanboy, and we've been subjected to your diatribe many times, but statements like that which I've highlighted are in the same vein as the "crap" that PQ tosses about.
I harbour no appreciation for Rega tonearms, but your assertion that AN tonearms are a much more serious piece of engineering than those of Rega is ludicrous!!!
RGA, what are your credentials where mechanical engineering is concerned? What criteria have you used to determine that the "engineering" performed by AN is superior to that employed by Rega?
Each time you initiate another AN post I become even more convinced that you are somehow associated with the marketing firm known as Audio Note.
Rick.
No because you're too close minded to try it and judge stuff on sound quality.Fortunately other SME V owners got past personalities... and indeed judges something on sound other than price. The AN Arms start at less than 1/4 the price of the SME V too which usually means a negative bias at the outset like "it's cheaper so it must be worse."
To this SME V owner's credit he didn't do that. And people wonder why there are fanboys - yes fanboys start when something at less than 1/4 the retail price sounds a lot better. Granted I might disagree with some of these folks as well since I have not done direct A/B comparisons but the fact that the AN arm would even hang in with stuff that is multiples of the price is interesting to me.
Edits: 07/26/14
It's seriously good as in OMG.
Gives credence to the Emperor's new clothes arguement
SO many get sucked in by the glitz and prices.
Like children with noses pressed flat to the Toy shop window.
Unbecoming is one descriptor... Fanboy is another
I am a fan of Audio Note products and I will not deny that fact. I think they make better sounding gear than about 99% of the stuff out there.
People are entitled to have their views and that is my view. Because I like Audio Note doesn't mean I'm on the payroll and because I like Vivaldi doesn't mean I'm related, and because I like Jackson Browne doesn't mean I'm with the record label selling his CD's. Or does it mean that EVERYTHING you like I should take to mean that you only like it because you're getting paid?
This digital forum has had a lot of people interested in AN DA converters.
Since enjoythemusic.com bothered to do a 30 minute interview with their owner - it should clue you into the fact that there are more people in the world than JUST RGA who likes their stuff and are interested in what they're doing. You may not be but I am since I am looking to buy some products from them including a DAC.
News of a new DAC is interesting to me and I felt would be interesting to others looking at buying one. Indeed, with this video people who are looking to spend $10,000+ on a DAC as I am may decide to wait and NOT BUY AND NOT GIVE THEM MONEY if a new technology is coming down the line in a few years.
This is from Hi-Fi Choice
"If the TT-2 is a pleasant surprise, the Arm One is something of a revelation. This is an immaculately finished and well thought out unit that is as good as anything we have seen under £1,000...The cueing action and the general arm movement suggest the bearings are excellent as well."
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/news/article/audio-note-an-tt2-deluxe-pound;3275/8849/
If you can't tell by looking at this stuff if it's any good - or by the way it sounds then no amount of writing can help you. It's time to find another hobby.
An owner of the SME V who bought the Audio Note arm 1
RGA, you have once again skirted the issue presented you!
My questions were specific to your assertion that the tonearm designed by AN was an engineering tour de force vs that manufactured by Rega...but then this is always your assertion when PQ and AN are the subject.
Many moons ago on Canuckaudiomart I wrote of a full AN system with a purchase price in excess of $150K USD that I had the opportunity to listen to in the home of an audio friend. My post was one of many in response to a multipage post you wrote. I didn't like the system, nor did the other 2 invitees...you spent a great deal of time writing that there must be something wrong with me or the way the system was setup...and here's your response to my query this round that takes us back to square one.
"If you can't tell by looking at this stuff if it's any good - or by the way it sounds then no amount of writing can help you. It's time to find another hobby."
So...if I don't agree with you and "get it", I need a new hobby?
This is aptly applied to you...
To each is given a book of rules,
A shapeless mass and some building tools,
And each must make his life a stepping stone or a stumbling block!
HELLO STUMBLING BLOCK!!!!
Your question about the tone arms - have you actually held the Rega 250 and used it and used the all metal one piece machined AN arm? Use a brain for Pete sake. Peter has been using the Rega 250 for years in their entry level models - so Peter obviously thinks they were very well designed arms. If you watched the video you will note that Peter works with other manufacturers in combination to design stuff - he is working with Rubycon a famous capacitor maker to make a better capacitor. For all you know the AN Tonearm is being co designed with SME or for that matter Rega.It sounds better therefore it implies that it is a superior tone arm. All the people who own current TT1 and TT2 turntables with Rega arms are the primary targets to upgrade their Rega - so if it's not better they'll be the first ones to know about it.
You asked about the engineering I directed you to review publications that can comment on such things because I was listening not inspecting - they did.
At that time(the other forums many years ago) I heard AN systems that always sounded excellent - I have since heard some less than great set-ups where the sound was rather average (California Audio Show 2012). So based on experiences like that (had it been my first exposure) I might walk away rather unimpressed as well.My comment about finding another hobby was based on the tone arm - both of them are AN tone arms (one of them is a Rega shell) but the new one is clearly better. This has nothing to do with the fact that you heard a buddy's $150k AN system and didn't like it - big deal so have I. But to then leap to the new tone arm isn't good is strange.
I have also experienced a lot of people who claim to have auditioned stuff on forums and when you ask basic questions they can't answer any of them.
I can't hide from my "auditions" and now when I audition stuff I almost always take a photo of what I hear so I can prove to people that yes I auditioned a Giya or a Magnepan or whatever. Internet posters with no names can make anything up. Oh yes I heard X and it stunk because they have an axe to grind with me or the maker or because they're trying to hock an alternative.
As an M40 owner if the AN E based system sounded bad - it truly is IMO a problem with system set-up. Soundhounds carries both the AN E and the M40. Bob Neil was a Harbeth dealer for years and now sell Audio Note.
Personally I like them both. It is just very odd that one would sound world's apart - they share some philosophies as well wide baffles lossy cabinets etc. They don't even measure all that differently in room when they were directly compared in Stereophile.
Edits: 07/27/14
it may clear up the BS problem!!!
So you are saying because you heard a $150k AN system (which I have to take on pure faith) and didn't like it that means you can say that every product they make is overrated. Gotcha.
At no time have I stated that "every product they make is overrated"!?!?
Please...get over yourself.
Reviewer?...sheesh!
So what point exactly are you trying to make. The thread is about DACs you're talking about a system you heard for $150k (which we have to take on faith) and tone arms.You ask about SME versus AN arms - I provided links.
You ask about many people liking them - google reviews. Not sure what you're exactly after as it seems to me to be a scatter-shot hoping to hit something. So what Axe are you grinding?
Is it because it's me. I mean would you rather me be upfront about what I like or would you prefer I go to a different computer and make a fake account. Unlike most reviewers who absolutely love absolutely every product that has ever been made - I don't. I consider about 5% of the stuff out there to be worth owning (to me) then I consider about 30-50% of stuff to be quite good for what it is or what it's priced at and then the rest I'd generally avoid. I'm not and never have been in the everything is equal it's just a matter of personal opinion. I find people/reviewers in the spectrum to be delusional or deaf.
The point of the video - was about seeing a new dac from a popular dac company that may be coming down that will be much better for much less money and in fact Peter is hurting his own sales with his comments because the guy looking to drop $80,000 on a redbook system will now likely not buy it until the new model comes down the line. His other comments have mirrored his Comparison by Contrast essay (co-written by enjoythemusic reviewer and classical composer Leonard Norwitz) 20 years ago.
Edits: 07/28/14
It is nice of you to provide the link to the interview with Peter Q. It allows people to make up their own minds.
Thanks,
John Elison
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