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Makes a HUGE improvement when used with a Squeezebox touch. More extension, more dynamics, more clarity - it's a real WOW experience.
More comments after a week of listening, but.... WOW.
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In one of my systems, I'm using a Sonos Connect, with Toslink out to a Weiss DAC202. Sounds great. Given the quality of the DAC, do you think that the Remedy Reclocker is going to make any difference?
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Yes, but that was a pretty meager upgrade. The W4S unit is dramatically better improvement.
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That Toslink in and out makes it interesting..... Especially if its RFI footprint is small.
It also has for outputs Coax and BNC and for inputs it also has Coax which is switched with opt in (hence opt in likely off when not selected).
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reducing jitter is a significant key to good digital reproduction.
The best digital reproduction I have heard is with my Audio Note gear which does nothing about reducing jitter. Who knows.
Alan
And the best digital I've ever heard is from a device called The Memory Player where an entire CD is downloaded to flash memory after multiple reads to be sure of accurate reading and then is reclocked from the flash memory.
I thought that one point of NOS was much less sensitivity to jitter. In other words, re-clockers are mostly for delta-sigma DACs. But in my experience w/ the Gungir, which I think has very low jitter w/ its re-clocker, that was not enough to eliminate the delta-sigma noise.
Upsampling without noise shaping will not increase jitter sensitivity, because sensitivity depends on the rate of change of the audio signal. However, upsampling with noise shaping may increase jitter sensitivity, because high frequency noise added by the shaping process increases the rate of change of the audio signal.
Delta sigma DACs use noise-shaping, making them potentially more sensitive to jitter than other types of DAC, such as NOS ladder DACs and OS ladder DACs. The amount of increased jitter sensitivity will depend on details of the noise shaping process, e.g. it will be larger if a lot of noise shaping is used (as with a 1 bit DAC) and less if only a little noise shaping is used (as with an 8 bit DAC).
Tony Lauck
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I did not know that there were 8-bit DACs.
Where does one see those in use?
The SABRE DAC chips take the input format and convert it to 32 bits, perform volume adjustments if selected, convert to the high master clock rate (e.g. 1024x( and then noise-shape down to 6 or 8 bit format. When running in 8 channel mode the actual DAC is 6 bits wide (64 switches per channel) while running in 2 channel mode the DAC is 8 bits wide (256 switches per channel). The specific current output into the load depends on the desired level, which is encoded by the number of switches that are turned on or off. (This is described in the white paper, and more details can be found in the ESS patents.)
Tony Lauck
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But the dejitter device is between the drive and DAC, not after the DAC.
I do not understand your point. Jitter only has meaning in the digital domain.
Any re-clocker will be upstream of the DAC chip.
What input/output are you using?
I was thinking of trying this with my SB Touch. Coax in/BNC out to Bryston DAC.
Does W4S offer a trial period?
I go coax from the Squeezebox and optical out of the Remedy.
Not sure about their return policy.
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It's always been the case that a decent relocker makes a world of difference.
Not sure about the use of asrc chips though, the result can vary.
I agree!
However, regardless of whether W4S actually reclocks the incoming data after the DIR, the output is the result of ASRC as the output is fixed at 24/96 regardless of the input according to the specs. It is highly likely (given the recommended intended use for devices like the Squeezebox) that they are relying on the SRC to do much of the "jitter reduction" and that it isn't going to do very much for a high end source. Much of the degradation occurs in the transmission phase especially as the bandwidth requirements go up with higher sample rates. Until someone actually publishes measurement data on this device, I remain sceptical about its actual capability; a properly implemented reclocking solution using DDS (for example) is considerably more involved!
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How did you get to hear this? Interesting that it has optical in and out. Might make my cable TV sound better since its compressed.
Always looking for new toys, thanks for the info.
Mine was shipped Monday and arrived Wednesday.
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