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In Reply to: RE: 2 better questions posted by dave789 on May 13, 2012 at 01:01:36
"The web site's high res files are not from Deutsche Grammophon."
I have no idea what web site you are referring to. I can only speak from my personal experience.
HDtracks.com sells a number of DG albums for hi-res download. Most of these are available at 88/24 and were made by ripping the DSD and converting it to PCM. I have one of these 88/24 transfers, Beethoven Symphonies no. 5 and 7 by Carlos Kleiber and the Vienna Philharmonic.
I have no idea how this SACD was created, but from looking at the spectrum it is clear that it was not made by upsampling 44/16 to DSD. It is possible to see that the 88/24 PCM came from DSD by looking at the high frequency noise, which starts rising at 28 kHz. We also have postings from the mastering engineer, Bruce B, who made most if not all of the HDtracks.com SACD to PCM transfers around this time. He has posted as to the equipment and procedures used.
It is quite obvious that this recording is from "Deutsche Grammophon", the artwork has the DG logo, etc. It would seem highly unlikely that HDtracks would selling pirated material for over a year. (I purchased this download in January 2011.)
BTW, the recording has the typical multiple microphone DG sound. Apparently they have not learned how to make good quality orchestral recordings. This issue, of course, has little or nothing to do with the formats involved, plaguing DG's LP and CD releases as well.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Follow Ups:
The DG album was not DSD (SACD). Only a single layer red book CD album was available from DG. The web site suggest me to ask DG, and the reply I quoted here was DG's reply at that time.
My email to the web site has the link to the album's web page, but it seems that they removed the album or they changed the web address. This is the link from my email.
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?%20file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD00028%20947793373
It would be possible to have a more intelligent discussion if you would be specific as to the particular web site and album that was involved, formats, dates purchased, etc.
I can assure you that the Kleiber Beethoven download that I own was made from an SACD. One can see the SACD logo on the artwork, the file has the characteristic DSD noise profile. HDtracks.com is still selling this album.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Please read what I posted. I already told you that the DG album that lead to the reply I quoted here was not a SACD DG album.I clearly wrote the web site by copying the web address of the album on that web site from my email sent to that web site at that time.
What DG sells:
http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/single?PRODUCT_NR=4779337HD track's higher res file web page at that time (currently unavailable)
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD00028947793373
My question to HD:
Could you tell me whether the high resolution version (96kHz/24bit) of the following album is coming from? https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD00028947793373 I am asking this question because Deutche Grammophon sells only (44.1kHz/16bit) on their own web page. http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/single?PRODUCT_NR=4779337
HD did not answer where it comes from:
No that is a totally different product from Deutche.
You can e-mail them and ask them, but they are selling the original source 44.1 album.
We have the remastered version.
Who remastered it at higher res for sale? It has the same DG label and album picture. The only on who remastered and then released for sale should be DG.However, when I asked DG about this high res version, DG answered that they did not offer higher res files.
Clear now?
Edits: 05/13/12
The info in this post (your 6th) should have been in your very first post. Why did you feel the need to leave out so many pieces to this puzzle?
Do you know the source master for any of the releases of this recording?
If not, once again, do you believe it is 16/44?
Did you purchase this download from HD Tracks?
. . . are a couple of DG's worst with regard to the audibility of the multi-microphoning. Very primitive in that regard. I think that, especially in the past decade or so, DG's multi-microphoning has gotten quite a bit more sophisticated.
One wonders how a company can put out such junk. Where do they find the deaf engineers and deaf producers? I prefer minimal microphone stereo recordings, but there are many labels that use multiple microphones that preserve a sense of depth. The Kleiber Beethoven had zero depth. It was as flat as a cartoon character that's been run over by a steam roller.
After listening to this recording I put DG on my "do not buy list" and haven't purchased another of their recordings for over 15 months.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
"The Kleiber Beethoven had zero depth."
Maybe if the recordings were better, people would realize that.............
Admittedly, they were always poor recordings but they are among the great recorded performances and I'd rather hear these than the majority of "follow the dots" Beethoven symphony recordings.
Kal
It pretty sad. It wouldn't matter if the artist and performance hadn't been so good. Any kid out of school using a $500 portable field recorder could have produced better sound than this travesty.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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