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In Reply to: RE: Not a question of space posted by Jim Austin on November 02, 2016 at 15:46:41
I 100% with you.Just like if you put "on-axis frequency response, +/-1dB, 20Hz to 20kHz," there's a pretty standard way to verify it that the audio industry accepts. You put "lossless" in front a file-compression scheme, there is likewise standardized ways to test/measure that (compress, uncompress, all day long if you wish).
MQA definitely isn't being picked on. They simply put some claims out there that raised the eyebrows of people, including me.
Furthermore, I think what many people have objected to is the over-the-top coverage that some publications (print and online) have given it. As I mentioned, though, we have given it very little.
Speaking of very little, while traveling here I looked through "Sound on Sound" magazine, which is about 5X as thick as the thickest hi-fi print magazine and seemingly close to a bible for recording. But I couldn't see one mention of MQA in all of their articles in this issue. Could it be that all the hype is a small segment of the audiophile press -- and we all know how small that segment is and how much of an impact that will have on acceptance (basically, nothing).
Doug
Edits: 11/02/16Follow Ups:
Thanks Doug. Re: the amount of coverage: If we're right, and it catches on, it's a very big deal and it should have been covered heavily. If we're wrong--especially about its efficacy--then it shouldn't have been. If we were right about its efficacy but it isn't embraced by the market, then an opportunity was lost, but hey, we tried.
Cheers,
Jim
Hi,
I apologize, but I actually edited my previous post about reading "Sound on Sound." Even with a few magazines pushing it as hard as they can, it will amount to little because in order to get anything accepted these days, it needs MUCH broader appeal.
Besides the questions of its usefulness, I also think that when you compare how the computer world has been development with open-source-type products, this goes straight away against that. To me, their model looks like one that would've maybe sold 15 years ago. Times have changed. Interesting article below, that looks at it from a completely different perspective.
I guess let me end this with the following -- in a year or two we'll know what happens with it (it'll catch on or it won't), so it would be interesting to discuss again then.
Doug
...covered MQA in August. Here's a quote from their conclusion:
"From the marketing and user convenience points of view, MQA seems to tick all the compatibility, convenience and practicality boxes for both consumers and vendors, and it appears to be able to deliver an astonishing level of time-domain performance never before seen in conventional digital systems."
> ...covered MQA in August.
Like the comparisons at CES, if Doug hasn't experienced something
personally, it never happened :-)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
You beat me to it. Was just gonna link. Been subscribing since day one.
This is the only article they have done on MQA. As compared to the coverage noted on all these threads.
On their forum, a few readers asked the aut
Any whoo.he claims they should be getting some encoding tools by years end and they will post pre and post samples. What a shocking idea. :)
...is a great resource.
At the risk of opening yet another can of worms, when you say:
"This is the only article they have done on MQA. As compared to the coverage noted on all these threads."
Are you saying that the *least* amount of coverage is best when it comes to a new technology?
No, no hidden meanings.
As Doug said, the amount of coverage on the hifi side is disproportionate by a huge margin.
SOS is for pros who have a job. Get an artist's vision on tape, hard drive, etc, then getting it to the mastering engineer. They are not interested in concepts and theory, but proven working solutions.
this magazine ever saying anything but 'good' in equipment reviews. They don't go deep either.
...their article on MQA since they say much more than 'good'.
Clutching for straws to reinforce your mojo?
Do it somewhere else.
...yet again.
Do you ever grow tired of posting nonsense. (rhetorical)
about your egoistic and rude posts in someone else's forum?
You have broken this forum's rules countless times. The decent thing for you is to move all this onto your own, and the more you post in this fashion, the more it exposes the inability to accept views from others.
...is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
;-)
It's been real, Fred.
Lavorgna,
I'm not worried about the definition of insanity! This is, after all, an Asylum.
However, there's no room for egotistical right-fighters here. You've worn out your welcome.
Be gone!
SB
You guys crack me up.
But I'll happily ignore you as well.
Cheers.
...have you initiated re. MQA?
As Doug has displayed here, he has no idea of the amount of coverage on MQA or its content. While I can see the appeal in warming up to anti-MQA sentiments while trying to demean the work of others, I'd suggest that ignorance is a hard sell to all but the willing.
We agree on SoS.
I've read all your write ups on MQA, and the numerous show posts by othes at Sphile.My quick summary, as to what MQA appears to me and many others..a solution in search of a problem.
-bandwidth saving...a non problem
-for improved lossless streaming....when lossless streaming has an incredibly unstable future
-post processing of master files...not remastering
-proprietary format, a specific fact which is only good for one entity...MQA/Meridian
Not to mention the need to invest in new hardware etc.
And, what has raised eye brows, is the over the top hyperbole by the hifi press. When John Atkinson says MQA is the most significant development in digital audio in 40 years, what would you except.
Edits: 11/02/16
Would you call this over-the-top hyperbole:
"[MQA] appears to be able to deliver an astonishing level of time-domain performance never before seen in conventional digital systems"
Somewhat.
"SOS is for pros who have a job. Get an artist's vision on tape, hard drive, etc, then getting it to the mastering engineer. They are not interested in concepts and theory, but proven working solutions."
My quick MQA summary is it makes music sound better and can be implemented by streaming services.
And no one *has* to buy anything.
You are confusing John Atkinson with Robert Harley. I know, all us audio reviewers look alike ;-)
> [Isaak J. Harvey is] confusing John Atkinson with Robert Harley.
Again :-(
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
"In almost 40 years of attending audio press events, only rarely have I come away feeling that I was present at the birth of a new world.
And in early December, at Meridian's New York offices, I heard Bob Stuart describe the UK company's MQA technology, followed by a demonstration that blew my socks off."
All that was missing were the tears (Peter McGrath supplied those) and the speaking in tongues, etc.
This may come as a surprise Isaak, but some people who write for a living actually care about not only what they've written, but what is attributed to them. If you think that:"When John Atkinson says MQA is the most significant development in digital audio in 40 years"
And
"In almost 40 years of attending audio press events, only rarely have I come away feeling that I was present at the birth of a new world"
Mean the same thing, I'd suggest you need to brush up on your basic English.
But I get it. Your mind goes all fuzzy when it comes to subjects you are passionate about. Like when you say I said that all of Sony's catalog would be available in DSD (I never said that).
The risk you run with your run-on nonsense is the "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" only not as important.
Edits: 11/02/16
Side note. You many find it amusing that Wikipedia used the same quote, and also dissected at head-fi.
No, I don't find this piddly nonsense amusing.
You might be right; we'll see. If the music industry supports it--and there's some evidence that's happening--it might have a shot. Anyway, as Niels Bohr said (repeating something that someone else said first), it's hard to predict, especially the future.
jca
Definitely, let's see what the future brings.
What my future is bringing right now is covering this Polish Audio Video Show, which seems to be a REALLY big deal nowadays. See link.
Doug
SoundStage!
Would love to attend that some day--or maybe just go there when there's no audio show.
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