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In Reply to: RE: Agree/Disagree posted by Doug Schneider on October 29, 2016 at 16:02:11
Doug, the exact same album in DSD is available at acoustic sounds, and at HDTracks in decimation of DSD, among others. The DSD originated from an SACD that was never released. Pro Studio masters had nothing to do with creating this DSD download.Vendors are NOT creating their own DSD.
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/99663/Holly_Cole_Trio-Girl_Talk-DSD_Single_Rate_28MHz64fs_Download
Again to circle back, Bob Stuart claimed on line vendors were creating their own upsamples or DSD files. This is false.
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Hi,Actually, I do know how it was created and there was never an SACD of it that I know that was intended for release. The people who created it were sent the original PCM files.
Below is a link to how it was made.
Doug
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Right, I have seen this link. But again, this was not created by an online retailer, but by the production team. So that ends the argument it was created by PSM, HDT, or Acoustic Sounds. Was it created from PCM? No doubt. By a retailer? NO.
BTW, I did see information that it was intended as SACD release, but I certainly would not bet my life on it. AP released 3 or 4 SACDs on their label.
Hi,
No, there definitely was a team. However, the point is, you can find numerous DSD titles floating around that have only been converted from PCM to DSD to sell -- usually at a higher price. But, yes, the store itself didn't create it -- someone else did.
Doug
Ok, I am glad that ends it :)There is NO doubt there are many SACDs and some DSD downloads (How many are there any way, 600?) that originated from PCM. I honestly never said otherwise.
As a matter of fact, sadly, the great mastering engineer George Marino created many SACDs for Analogue Productions from 48 Khz tape captures. So even the reputable labels have done stuff like that.
But about 10 posts back I was originally addressing the assertion from Stuart that online vendors were creating fake hirez or fake DSD. They have not. He was using this a straw man argument to boost MQA and it "authentication" selling point.
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Yeah, as far as the online retailers creating fakes, I, too, have never heard of any. Now, of course some (many?) have sold them and been caught (fakes of high-res PCM from lower-res PCM often), but they haven't been the ones making them, at least to the best of my knowledge.
Doug
Well, the great news is the online vigilantes with tools as simple as Audacity almost without exception were able to identify any fakes. Retailers have now invested in tools and have taken the time to analyze the albums they have for sale. They just don't need the grief.On a bit of a tangent..how about all the new vinyl reissues mastered from digital files? In my opinion this is a big rip off.
As a matter of fact, Michael Fremer identified a label that reissues very desirable titles mastered from CDs. Yep. That's right.
(I can just imagine one day..vinyl mastered from MQA files...MQA Vinyl...kill me now!)
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This whole conversation--thanks to both of you--makes the point pretty clearly. What's true? I don't know. Neither does anyone else. Which is the point. Was that DSD made from a 48kHz PCM file, or what? Who knows? I'm not convinced the retailers are innocent--maybe, maybe not--but who cares who is responsible?
None of this makes a particular file sound great; it may or it may not. But, good or bad, when that light goes on, you know you're buying the actual product.
jca
...I demonstrated to Doug the ONE album he thought that a retailer MAY have upsampled to DSD was in fact done by the producers. End of story. So thee is ONE truth there. No ambiguity. Bob Stuart made an incorrect statement. Which, quite frankly, is inexcusable.
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Uh, no. Your post is nonsense.
Bob Stuart made a bold claim that online retailers of audiophile downloads upsample files. This is has not happened. And the number of actual upsampled Redbook sold as HiRez is amazingly small.
Making veiled accusations now? You are "not convinced" there is no wrong doing? "Who cares who is responsible?". If you worked for me you would be tossed out so fast there would be skid marks.
Sorry Jim, your credibility just went through the floor.
Enjoy your little MQA flight of fancy. It wont last long.
'they said, he wrote' - what's the problem?
The cult of personality in the audiophile community often leads non critical reporting.
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