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In Reply to: RE: Kudos to Art Dudley posted by Salectric on September 16, 2016 at 12:03:59
I'm curious what speakers from the 1940s and earlier, do you believe are sonically unequaled by today's modern speakers?
I'm listening to: The Men In My Life by Jackie Allen
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Big Western Electric movie speakers from the 30s are tough to beat. Always one of the best sounds at the Munich show year after year.
Most systems being touted today as supposed hi-fi (piddly ass standmount with a 6 inch woofer or five piddly 6 inch woofers in an mdf cabinet with a metal tweeter (meh) can't even touch stuff like this from the 70s.
And the great thing about living in Hong Kong and Korea is that one doesn't need to try and "remember" what stuff sounds like - you can compare a modern B&W directly in the same room against an original Matrix series OR a Magico or Giya Directly against an Altec VOTT or classic Tannoy or one of these lovely old JBLS and you can hear quite quickly why people think a lot of modern speakers either outright stink or at the very least lost some charm or the dreaded term "musicality" along the way.
The trouble with terms like better is that it doesn't really exist. A modern very good speakers will have advantages - but that doesn't write off the fact that there are simply "inherent" advantages to any given speaker design approach. A big multiway from 1975 will do things the best single driver speaker today can't do. It's the nature of the designs.
How many pre 80-s systems get 275,000 youtube hits? My only issue with the video is that it would likely sound 50 times better if they got rid of the Mark Levinson mediocrity for a good SE tube amplifier and competent r2r ladder no oversampling CD player - or better vinyl. But so it goes.
... the room looks and sounds too lively, especially given the size. Hard to imagine getting really good sound in there. Easy to hear the echo. Beautiful space though.
I know audiophiles are lonely types so hard to image listening to music with a group of people. People absorb sound.
Then no need for actual human beings. With a dozen silicone full size sex dolls in the room.
Yes people absorb sound, can you imagine going to a concert with a hall full of people? Yuck.
When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey
Occupied seats are factored into sound of most venues-
Kloss wrote:
"I know audiophiles are lonely types so hard to image listening to music with a group of people. People absorb sound."
That's funny, and an astute observation about audiophiles. We could share some thoughts on this and have a good laugh, I'm sure.
> > People absorb sound. < <
Some more than others.
That's a cafe? Looks like someone' very nice man cave.
Yep!
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I was referring to the room in the video.
Ah, yes, Jim. Without treatment, that just cannot be a good room. With treatment, no problem.
Art has mentioned some great sounding old equipment that really have virtues. However, it seems he has fallen in love with some old equipment that simply cannot stand up to today's, especially in the turntable field. I know, I own the old turntables he talks about, totally restored, and they just can't compete. Sometimes I feel he has fallen in love with certain pieces due to nostalgia, the undeniably classic and cool looks of some of these pieces, and the fact that he worked on them or restored them himself.So, like all reviewers, you have to take the statements with a grain of salt. Trying gear yourself is the only way against the best in the field is the only sure way, though it is difficult and expensive.
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The ML amps are there to remove Tooby reliabillty issues necessary for everyday playing not to mention the added power necessary to fill a large room and over come the obvious room noise, yep sometimes SS mediocrity is favored over Tooby mediocrity ..BTW whats with the knee cap listening height or were you thrown off by the ML stuff not to notice ...?
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Tweeters at ear level? Low seats in Japan?Reliability issues? I presume you have some sort of statistical evidence that tube amps are less reliable, other than "tubes are hot so the amplifiers fail more."
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Take your tooby amp there when you go and ask them to use it , report ....
I suspect Art is referring to Western Electric direct radiator/ horn designs of the 40s/50s or possibly the larger theater horns of the 30s using the 555 field coil driver. Might also include some Jensen stuff of the same era. I believe he's currently listening to Auditorium 23- Cinema Homage speakers that are based on Chinese reproductions of the 555 and other WE drivers. Review of whatever it is in next issue of Stereophile.Forgot to mention non-mass market RCA items of the era, usually prefixed with "MI" in the model #.
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Altec Lansing Valencia (mini VOTTs?). I DO have fond memories of Dad's Altec 604s driven my MC-30s. Big & Bold but memory is often faulty after so long a time
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
He has stated his reference system contains Altec Valencias, possibly with mods and Devore Orangutan O/96. He also stated a few issues ago that he was listening to something from Auditorium 23, possibly the Cinema Homage w/repro WE mid/hf drivers. Full review forthcoming. I notice he now lists the Auditoriums as part of his reference system although not on the recent recommended components list so I suspect he's going to be writing a lot about them very soon. I also suspect these speakers may be the inspiration for his recent vintage enthusiasm. BuhBye Valencias?
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