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In Reply to: RE: Thanks, JA for the March SF opinion piece posted by E-Stat on February 19, 2016 at 09:20:34
>I found "When Caruso Was King" quite enjoyable. . .
Thank you. I wrote it in one session, triggered by reading in IEEE Spectrum
that classical music on record was facing extinction.
>To quote Samuel Clemens: "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>Indeed. :)
My point was, with millennials not exposed to this music in the way earlier
generations were, who will be listening, not just to classical music, but
even to artists like John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins, Art Tatum, when we are
all gone?
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
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So many games use old music mostly due to public domain copy rights etc but its true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44tCHxmzr_w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rDVb8q8KWw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn9haBXPXfk
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Unless you went straight from twinkle twinkle little star to Jazz. More music available today that at any time in mankinds history the youngsters got more to sort through but it will still be there. As far as classical even the new fallout 4 game has a classical radio station in it that young people listen to as they play.....
It's sad that when schools cut programs the classes that are almost always the first to go are Music and the Arts.
I post the following clip - but it's sad that the principal has to make the choice he says he has to make. Funny there is always money for the football team and there is always money for a new WMD or tax cut.
Music AND the Arts if this planet had any sort of imagination/wonder/idealism/ left would put those two subjects in the center of everything and surround them with all the other subjects in relation to the heart and soul of the school which could then become the heart and soul of the town the city the nation.
Well now I am bloody depressed.
Seriously?
You're confusing movies with reality. Richard Dreyfuss is the same guy who was certain that aliens were coming to land at Devil's Mountain in "Close Encounters", and they DID - in a MOVIE.
How about posting a clip of an actual (real) school board meeting, or an interview with an actual (real) music teacher or Fine Arts Director.
But firstly, which country are you talking about? The U.S.? Canada? Singapore? It seems to me that you live in Singapore or Hong Kong or some such place. So how would you have any clue about fine arts programs in U.S. schools? Do you even have kids in school (and maybe even in a school music program)?
Let me be clear: School music programs, in the U.S., are WAY ahead of where they were when I was in K-12 and when I was a music major in college.
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_My point was, with millennials not exposed to this music in the way earlier generations were, who will be listening, not just to classical music, but even to artists like John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins, Art Tatum, when we are all gone?_
Answer: exposure to jazz and classical with be through Youtube serve ups and Internet radio "smart" playlists (Pandora etc.). Yes, we will miss the music class our children's children will never know. But they will not miss it for they never had it.
Youtube is the largest distributor of music in the world. When Terry and go youtubbing for concerts and music vids we usually watch a serve up after the primary video is over. Many times we get jazz concert serve ups after watching a non-jazz concert event.
My wife teaches general music in a private school. They are exposed to many genres. By the time they leave, they know the instruments of the orchestra, the periods of classical music, composers, several works, opera, operetta, musical theater, jazz genres and influential jazz musicians, the Beatles, etc, etc. Music in our schools is not dead everywhere.
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File this under : It's possible.
Chinese children are required to study music.
China has over 200 million elementary and high school students, who, together with pre-school children, account for one sixth of the total population. For this reason the Central Government has prioritized basic education as a key field of infrastructure construction and educational development.
Under the Law on Nine-Year Compulsory Education, primary schools were to be tuition-free and reasonably located for the convenience of children attending them; students would attend primary schools in their neighborhoods or villages.
The primary-school curriculum consisted of Chinese, mathematics, physical education, music, drawing, and elementary instruction in nature, history, and geography, combined with practical work experiences around the school compound.
Generally, high school years usually have two semesters....The academic curriculum consists of Chinese, Mathematics, English, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Geography, History, Ideology & Political Science, Music, Fine Arts, PE, Technology, Computing etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_China#Compulsory_education_law
The Chinese language is itself based on harmonic tones.
All varieties of Chinese, like neighbouring languages in the Mainland Southeast Asia linguistic area, have phonemic tones. Each syllable may be pronounced with between three and six distinct pitch contours, denoting different morphemes. The number of tonal contrasts varies between dialects, with northern dialects tending to have fewer distinctions than southern ones.[67] For example, in the standard language the four phonemic tones can be demonstrated with ma (?; "mother"), má (?; "hemp"), ma (?; "horse") and mà (?; "to scold"). Many dialects have tone sandhi, in which the pitch contour of a syllable is affected by the tones of adjacent syllables in a compound word of phrase.[68] This process is so extensive in Shanghainese that the tone system is reduced to a pitch accent system much like modern Japanese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_Chinese
Hence, it is easy to see why there is a musical heritage in Chinese culture.
As a part of 2006 Harbin Summer Music Concert's opening ceremony, a 1,001-piano concert was held in Harbin's Flood memorial square located at the north end of Zhongyang Street (Chinese: ????; pinyin: Zhongyang dàjie) on 6 August 2006.[106][107] Repertoires of the ensemble consisted of Triumphal March, Military March, Radetzky March and famous traditional local song On The Sun Island. This concert set a new Guinness World Record for largest piano ensemble, surpassing the previous record held by German artists in a 600-piano concert.[14] In 2008, the 29th Harbin Summer Music Concert was held on 6 August. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin
I anticipate that with the modernization of China, we will see a contribution from China to global music. As the Chinese middle class grows, I expect to see an increase in the quantity and quality of higher-end audio components from China, particularly as the second-generation starts demanding better high-end gear.
John Atkinson wrote:
"My point was, with millennials not exposed to this music in the way earlier generations were, who will be listening, not just to classical music, but even to artists like John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins, Art Tatum, when we are all gone?"
Is there any doubt that, without school music programs, today's youth have virtually no chance of connecting with art music? When I was in school (specifically New York State public school) in the '80s, there was a ton of music education available: two levels of chorus, two levels of band/wind ensemble, jazz ensemble, marching band, orchestra, an annual school musical, private lessons ... and probably a few groups that I'm forgetting. There were also music appreciation classes (for those who didn't connect seriously) and music theory classes (for those who did). I took advantage of just about all of these BTW.
I wonder what the state of affairs is 25 years later. If things are not as robust on the music education front for today's kids as they were for me, then I think that this could and should change. State school chancellors are the obvious targets; but who has access?
When I was in school (specifically New York State public school) in the '80s, there was a ton of music education available:...
Such was the case for me in high school and I had ZERO interest in any of that. Music appreciation? Are we going to cover Yes, Golden Earring, Led Zeppelin and Emerson, Lake & Palmer? :)
Music, yes. Just not those programs. And yet I found my way when I was ready.
Sorry -- I didn't mean to imply that, unless you were fed a steady diet of music appreciation and theory in high school, you had no chance of connecting with this music later in life. My post was more "macro" in nature ... it considered how to get *everyone* and not just the exceptions (that may prove the rule?) on board.
Apology unnecessary. Just observing there are alternative ways. As for me, I wasn't ready for most classical before college age.
I recall Mrs. Poole bringing her autoharp in the 7th grade to teach music where we were forced to sing hits like Bird in Banana Tree .
Since I was already listening to a range of "cooler" 60s rock and James Bond soundtracks, I was bored to death. Not participating wasn't an option.
I quickly learned that all I needed to do was move my mouth and wait for recess! :)
My point was, with millennials not exposed to this music in the way earlier generations were, who will be listening, not just to classical music, but even to artists like John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins, Art Tatum, when we are all gone?
Perhaps they might be exposed as did I indirectly via another means. For me, it was progressive rock. EL&P's rendition of Fanfare for the Common Man led to Aaron Copland, one of my favorites today. Pictures at an Exhibition opened the door to Mussorgsky.
Or, get their feet wet listening to film score music. Where do I start? I went nuts over John Barry's James Bond film scores and bought On Her Majesty's Secret Service when I was 12. John Williams is all over the map with content both bombastic and intimate. The former is easy to find. Think Becoming a Geisha or Sayuri's Theme from "Memoirs of a Geisha" as examples of the latter. It didn't hurt to have Yo-Yo Ma and Itzhak Perlman at the bridge. Which Millennials or I-Gens haven't seen films from the "Twilight" series? There are some hauntingly beautiful melodies found in New Moon and Renesmee's Lullaby . I love hearing my wife play the simple lullaby on her piano. Do you think they might have seen (perhaps multiple times) the recent film that has already accumulated $2B at the box office? The 96/24 version of The Force Awakens is one of Williams' best. Scherzo for X-Wings anyone?
As for some of the jazz greats, I dunno. As much I have tried to enjoy that genre, most of it doesn't do much for me. Maybe I just need to listen to my Blue Note albums a bit more. Same for opera.
I am optimistic. :)
The great film composers... the ones with an actual classical music education... are almost gone.
There are no new Korngolds, Steiners, Herrmanns, Goldsmiths, etc.
I've heard the future of film music. It's pretty boring.
"To Learn Who Rules Over You, Simply Find Out Who You Are Not Allowed to Criticize."
-Voltaire
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