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Don't you get enough "shit" at the office?
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Frankly John Atkinson Is just a publicist, not a critic or a audio reviewer...
Edits: 02/13/16
Yeah, he shouldnt with four letter guys like you posting here.
Bill
I believe in being responsive to the magazine's readers. However, it
is beginning to look as if being responsive leads to a lot more criticism
and abuse than occurs with magazines where the editor remains aloof.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
1. Stereophile, like all other human endeavors, is imperfect. But it is clearly the best audio publication available on newsstands.
2. The willingness of JA and other members of the Stereophile staff (past and present) to participate on this sometimes-ungenerous forum is a tremendous credit to them personally and to Stereophile corporately. I hope it continues.
Happy listening,
Jim
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
sometimes attributed to Captain Bligh
...HP used to give letter writers in TAS?
It was humorous as long as you weren't on the receiving end.
Your problem John, is that you are too nice a guy.
And as you are aware, people feel free on the interwebs to say things they would never say to you in person.
Thanks for posting here - it is better for AA than Stereophile I would guess.
.
makes you stronger.
THAT'S not poor form!
This board does bring out the extraordinarily self righteous, and if
you didn't participate hear most of them would dry up and fade away.
They owe you much for providing them the pluck to post.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Keep up the good work- JA
Oops, I thought this place was for Cornered Critics, not Critic's Corner. Find yourself up a tree like a cat fleeing the hounds JA? Maybe they mistook you for a fox.
Mr. Atkinson;
This is the "critics" asylum, and as such there may be some criticism - both ways.
The "abuse and criticism" you referenced is to be expected when YOU allow a article that was very critical of a much beloved and popular artist such as Glen Frey/The Eagles, when he was barely cold in the ground. Did you expect to be lauded and praised?
I find it very funny when critics can't take being criticized. Did you seriously believe that the article wouldn't be received negatively from a group (Audio Asylum) comprised mainly of American men over the age of 50? If so; Wake up!
Maybe you should consider the possible consequences BEFORE running the article. I'm pretty sure most editors play the "what if" game before they decide to run a piece.
Example: IF I run this critical piece, will I be able to handle the inevitable backlash? IF not, should I take to a public forum and whine about it? Should I consider becoming aloof (like other magazine editors) IF I cannot handle being spanked for a mistake?
Content of the piece aside, the timing was very bad - period! YOU decided to run the piece days after the death of Mr. Frey. Was the piece already written and in the hopper at the time of Mr. Frey's death? No.
The piece by Mr. Baird would have received criticism even if Glen Frey had not recently passed. Since Stereophile ran the piece days after his passing, and thus look like grave dancers, severe criticism is to be expected.......
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
> I find it very funny when critics can't take being criticized.No-one is objecting to criticism. What I am pointing out is that
Stereophile comes in for many more negative comments than any
other publication. It seems a legitimate question to ask if that
is because I am responsive to readers on this and other forums.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 01/28/16
It succinctly put into words what I've always felt about the Eagles. Saying Baird's piece was ill timed is like telling the late Christopher Hitchen's not to write during the Christmas holiday. Mr. Baird has skills, and I look forward to his treatment of the passing of Paul Kantner and the anomoly that was Jefferson Airplane/Starship.
This message has been moved to a more appropriate venue .
Maybe it's because Stereophile is so widely read among audiophiles and because other magazines don't bother to post responses to complaints. Or it could be that you're just plain paranoid. Well that is a possibility.
I like how all you guys so upset over Baird's article don't even know how to spell Glenn Frey's name.
Yea, and call them "The Eagles" instead of the band's real name "Eagles".
"Yea, and call them "The Eagles" instead of the band's real name "Eagles""
A bunch of punk kids, I tell you, it's "The Pink Floyd".
Edits: 04/07/16 04/07/16
Also; I have seen The Eagles, and Eagles.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
Eagles (band)
From Wikipedia
Steve Martin, a friend of the band from their early days at The Troubadour, recounts in his autobiography that he suggested that they should be referred to as "the Eagles", but Frey insists that the group's name is simply "Eagles"
Ah yes Wikipedia, the bastion of truth.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
I think it shows both class and chutzpah on the part of the magazine and its staff.
That said, I am always perplexed by the rough treatment that "luminaries" tend to get on public fora. I remember Jim Bongiorno being driven off of the "FMtunerinfo" forum, and - more recently - Ken Kantor bailing from audiokarma.
Seems like a crappy way to treat folks who choose to share their expertise, as well as their biases, with the great unwashed, huddled masses (me included).
all the best,
mrh
And who pays when forums lose someone who actually knows something, usually by know nothings? We do, not the person who isn't there any more
Harry Weisfeld gets over on the vinyl board?
He slings it right back, bless him.
Some folk forget that these "luminaries" are people too.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
There's something weirdly hostile about LP/turntable buffs these days.
all the best,
mrh
nt
and I did say "pretty much", as I do drop my guard & even post to 'em now and again.
I get pretty tired of the urinating contests between factions, though.
all the best,
mrh
nt
... in being an AA punching bag. You've tried to bring reason to the discourse and all it does is inflame the naysayers. I admire your steadfastness and willingness to engage, but really.
There is no such thing as 'bad' publicity when it comes to publications.
Stereophile has a VERY small market largely made up of opinionated a$$-&^%#$.
Speaking only for myself, every time I click on a thread mentioning Stereophile I have to resist the urge to rush off to my doctor's office to filch a year old copy of the magazine.
Just 40 years or so.As to "No bad publicity," tell it to the guy who bought (and is trying to sell) The new Republic.
And more pertinently, all that bad publicity sure did wonders for Peter Aczel.
Edits: 01/28/16
I wish Peter Aczel had posted here.
Regards
Bill
as that's what I have experience dealing with, buying ads as marketing type.
We created the ads and placed them. Our shop was 150-strong when i retired.
Ya know, while IMO there are certainly some ludicrous negative posts here about S'phile, its hardly the case that every complaint about the mag expressed on this forum is unreasonable or unwarranted.
Excepting instances where JA offers to help with things like subscription/delivery problems and occasional technical raps/questions, it seems to me that most of John's participation on Critics is about countering any/all negative posts about S'phile. Apparently he thinks that's worth the time/effort involved.
I don't ascribe his participation to altruism, nor do I see him as a long suffering punching bag.
My criticisms are all technical such as when was the last time each of the reviewers had a hearing test and what were the outcomes? That might be useful to know. Possibly having be exposed to loud sounds as audiophiles, many, even all of them may have suffered serious hearing loss over the years. To those with this condition anything they can still hear at all is a pleasing surprise.
nt
> when was the last time each of the reviewers had a hearing test and what
> were the outcomes?
I published the state of my hearing in my review of the Enigma Sopranino
supertweeter. (See link below.) Kal Rubinson has also published his hearing
test results. To the best of my knowledge, no other writers for any other
magazines have done so. Perhaps you should address your question to them.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Thanks John A. for your input. Just today, I am hooking up a pair of EnigmaAcoustics tweeters, and guess what? I got the same subjective response as was gotten by you guys, without previously knowing that you had reviewed this product. Thanks for your input, we audio designers depend on you for both accurate measurements and overall listening response. Keep on truckin!
> Just today, I am hooking up a pair of EnigmaAcoustics tweeters, and guess
> what? I got the same subjective response as was gotten by you guys,
> without previously knowing that you had reviewed this product.
Something that is always overlooked by the so-called "objectivists" is
that this kind of independent correlation happens all the time.
> Thanks for your input, we audio designers depend on you for both accurate
> measurements and overall listening response.
Thanks John. And in return, keep pushing the envelope in circuits and
parts.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Well, you are not'our dad' thank goodness. '-) For the record, we have known of each other for more than 30 years, but I doubt we have even contacted each other more than a dozen times. I do respect John Atkinson, AND HIS MEASUREMENTS, that I rely on to compare my designs to others. It just so happens that we both have a degree in physics, as well as other education and experience, so we usually have a more open mind about audio design than typical engineers and technicians.
nt
Don't worry Mark, I am famous enough at this point.
Let me see. Hmmm, you were part of the team that proved the existence of the Higgs Boson....No, that was done at Cern.
You were part of the team that devised a new laser spectrometer that will orbit the earth to make new geological measurements....No that was a collaboration between NASA and Jet Propulsion Laboratories.
Hmmm, AHA! Now I remember. You designed some tape recorders for Ampex and some preamplifiers and amplifiers for Mark Levinson and Parasound that people liked and got good reviews.
I'm going to have to make your pedestal a little shorter, in fact I think I can buy just the right thing. A vinyl composite floor tile is 3/16" thick. That should do it. Perfect!
After making Johns pedestal , don't forget your step ladder ... :)
Edits: 01/30/16
Yes, it's a long way down into that manhole. Negative frequency, the square root of minus one, anti matter, unpedestal.
Guessing your approximate age, a cutoff of 14.8 kHz is good. I'll bet a lot of audiophiles decades younger can't hear to nearly that frequency. Makes you wonder of what value so called "high resolution" or "high definition" which requires FR to far beyond 20 kHz depending on who is defining it could be. Seems like a lot of wasted money for something you couldn't possibly have heard even when you were younger and your HF hearing ability was better. So why does a sound system need to have FR extended to 40 kHz and beyond? I say it's a bunch of hooey.
I say it's a bunch of hooey.
Because you are operating on a false premise.
The primary advantage of high resolution digital recordings is to improve the phase response rendered by the (otherwise) brick wall filter required by 16/44.
some folks still don't get it. :)
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