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In Reply to: RE: Good Form? My Long Opinion Piece posted by davidandcandy@gmail.com on January 23, 2016 at 18:56:08
Read the piece again, and this time don't read anything into it that isn't there.Baird's second paragraph goes into at least *some* detail about the MUSIC on the Eagles' albums, and he presents his *opinion*. Nowhere does he say anything remotely like the reason the Eagles' music sucks - or why he doesn't like some of their recordings - is because they were extremely popular and/or were played a helluva lot on the radio.
The obvious points he's making are: in Baird's opinion much of the Eagles' recordings are pap which doesn't stand the test of time; the Eagles hits have been heard so many times that he (and in his view many others) can't stand hearing them for the 5,000th time.
It also seems obvious to me there should not be a requirement that an article published soon after somebody's death has to avoid negative comments on any/all of the dead person's music, whether it was popular or not.
I suspect there will be many obits/articles presenting nothing but positive views of Frey/Eagles. This one ain't a glorifying obit. Big deal.
Edits: 01/24/16Follow Ups:
Perhaps I think Rick Wald's music sucks. To drive the point home, I think I'll wait until the day of your death, for maximum exposure, to write about how your music sucks in a leading industry magazine. Just to make sure any sympathizers know that you suck. Nobody will think I'm mean spirited or anything. It's just an opinion.
You're welcome to express your opinion of my music here, in a hifi publication, in a jazz mag or anywhere else - while I'm alive or two seconds after my death.Ya know I've been a jazz musician for over 45 years. To say the least, I'm accustomed to 99.99999999% of the public either totally ignoring or actively disliking my music.
I suspect a negative article published in S'phile soon after my death would be like water off a duck's ass to those who like my music. Hey, luckily S'phile wouldn't even review my cd's :-)
Edits: 01/24/16
Would you walk into a wake and interrupt the mourners to bash a dead person's career? Would you take out an obit in your local newspaper to let everyone know that you're not a fan of the deceased? Of course not. I'm pretty sure you're above that, at least based on your posting history here. Robert Baird apparently is not. The fact that Glen Frey is well known and successful doesn't excuse people coming out of the woodwork to shit on him as soon as he passes.
And just to clear the air, what I've heard of your music I've liked. Though I've never heard you live (if you're ever playing in Boston...). I was just making a hypothetical point, so I hope you don't take it personally.
Well, I just don't think the content is so offensive. I think people are overreacting. The article is far from a personal attack on Frey, and contains positive comments about some of the Eagles' recordings along with the negative comments.
I wonder what time period after somewhat dies the inmates who objected to Baird's piece would find acceptable. Whatever it'd be - a month, 2 months, a year - would be arbitrary, and probably different from inmate to inmate.
Jeez, I'm kinda surprised anybody cares what's said in an S'phile opinion piece about music/musicians. I pay virtually no attention to what they say about hifi gear, let alone music :-)
No, of course I didn't take offense, Dave. I understand where you're coming from.
If Baird had written a rant about the Eagles and Stereophile had published it at some random other time, few would read it and nobody would care. The problem with this is that it's a slam piece hidden behind a title that made me think it was going to be an obituary or eulogy. I think it was mean spirited take the opportunity to write an obit and use it to insult the dead artist and his fans and mourners. Sorry you can't see that.
As I said, I understand where you and others are coming from regarding the timing. Do you seriously believe I'm such a complete dolt that your point escapes me? Am I allowed to NOT be offended, or do we all have to have the same reaction?
I just don't give a shit what Baird says, nor when he says it. Never have. If he'd written a piece praising everything Frey recorded/performed it wouldn't matter to me, and nothing in the piece he actually did submit matters to me. If possible I'd care even less about what he said the day after a jazz musician's death.
My posts are not a defense of S'phile, JA or Baird. I didn't view the piece as such a hatchet job, but even if I did, it would be of utterly no consequence to me - whether it was published now or a year from now. I wouldn't even have read the piece if I hadn't seen the thread (with link) here and wondered what the, ahh, stir was about.
Posted anywhere else on AA this would have faded into oblivion almost immediately.
Posted on Critics a mountain is made of an ant hole.
The level of self importance/self righteousness on this board is stunning.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
> > Jeez, I'm kinda surprised anybody cares what's said in an S'phile opinion piece about music/musicians. I pay virtually no attention to what they say about hifi gear, let alone music :-)
First comment is that apparently the subject has drawn your attention to the degree that you've felt the need to make a number of comments of your own in this thread.
> > I wonder what time period after somewhat dies the inmates who objected to Baird's piece would find acceptable.
I've already given my two cents -- I think they should have waited one, maybe two months to publish it. The article appeared almost immediately upon the report of his death.
Keep in mind that while I'm OK with the Eagles, I don't consider myself a fan. They were just part of the music scene back in the 70s when I was younger. I don't think I've elected to intentionally play one of their songs for 15, 20 years or more.
However, the article did strike me as rude in terms of timing. Nothing more, but also nothing less. Hardly a hanging offense, but unfortunately it is increasingly typical these days.
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Of course, there is a certain irony that the reaction of others to a subject you claim shouldn't be of interest has resulted in a half-dozen posts from you.
As someone with a rather neutral opinion of the Eagles, but who thinks the timing of the article was rather tasteless, I don't see much difference between those who were bothered by the article and your apparent offense at their offense.
You seem fixated on the # of my posts rather than the content. So far all you've done is state your opinion about the timing of the piece - as I've done - and counted my posts.
"I don't see much difference between those who were bothered by the article and your apparent offense at their offense."
I don't care.
A few seconds using "CTRL-F" to find the number of times you've commented on a subject you claim not to care about is hardly a fixation on my part. If you truly don't care, why are you in this discussion? That remains unanswered.
Increasingly I think all of this is more about insulting the fans than it is about insulting the band.
and more like going to a wake and insulting the mourners?
...upset mourners. As already pointed out, timing is everything and this piece was just plain poorly timed. Not a particularly entertaining or informative read either: unnecessary.
Um...ouch!
Half way decent attempt at meaningless psychobabble. No, he is not wrong.
Apparently you don't even know the meaning of psychobabble.
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