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Is this hobby dead now ?.. Is the end of this world coming soon ?..
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And have been enjoying the improvements to this illusion since the early 50's playing 78 records for for my polio victim Father. If you are complaining about audio today, you just need to find another hobby. These are great times to be an audiophile and or music lover.
Jim Tavegia
Edits: 11/26/15
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Been that way ever since the first shyster met the first fool.
Nt
According to string theory, the entire universe is made of nothing but vibrations. So forget audio: EVERYTHING is a scam!
Happy listening,
Jim
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
The universe is a symphony of strings, and the mind of God that Einstein eloquently wrote about for thirty years would be cosmic music resonating through eleven-dimensional hyper space.
- Michio Kaku
High fidelity used to be a goal. But having badly failed technology being the best that has so far been achieved, the goals have changed. Sound from recordings has become the justification as an end in itself. It's not really music, no mechanical contrivance could be no matter how good. It's just a facsimile of music IMO, and invariably a poor one at that when you know what the real thing sounds like.
What do manufacturers do? Same as always only they try to do it better. I think it was Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I think he hits the nerve of just the people he intended to hit - absolutely hilarious - well done!
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...Roger Skoff is the owner of XLO cables.
And has a good sense of humor.
Which some here obviously don't.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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See, I do have a sense of humor.
...ROTFLAO?
> > Are you ROFLAO? < <
Not really. I'm thinking I should have read the article more carefully.
Or an illusion?
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
...is expecting anyone to read that nonsense.
Ever watch the movie Ground Hog's Day?
"Even so, that's not the real problem. What the real problem IS is that audiophiles, music lovers, Hi-Fi Crazies, and all the rest still fail to recognize that what they think they hear is NOT "sound" (as they, despite all rational explanation, still insist on calling it) but simply a pattern of vibrations..."
'Simply a pattern of vibrations...' in other words the (albeit simplified) definition of the term 'sound'.
What a valuable insight: Sound is NOT sound but it is actually sound
The guy is clearly an idiot.
> What a valuable insight: Sound is NOT sound but it is actually sound
> The guy is clearly an idiot.
Roger was making fun, but he was making a serious point. The concept of
"sound" is something that is created internally by our brains. (It
actually takes a lot of processing, between 100 and 200 milliseconds.)
All that actually exists outside of our perceptions is exactly what Roger
describes, vibrations in a carrier medium. (See my thoughts on this at
the page linked below and the one following.)
Hence the old philosophical question: "If a tree falls in the forest
without anyone to observe it falling, does it make a sound?" Siegfried
Linkwitz offered the best answer to this question on his website: "If a
tree falls in the forest, does it make any sound? No, except when a
person is nearby that interprets the change in air particle movement at
his/her ear drums as sound coming from a falling tree. Perception takes
place in the brain in response to changing electrical stimuli coming from
the inner ears."
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
would have helped if a) he would have been actually funny and b) I wouldn't read far more ludicrous stuff put forward in all seriousness on a daily basis.
"Color," also, is something that only exists as an internal construct.
There are no "colors" external reality. Check out the link below for an
example.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
So what are you saying, that our perception of the world is what our brain makes of what our senses detect and send to it? That we live in our minds? Now tell me something I don't already know.
> So what are you saying, that our perception of the world is what our brain
> makes of what our senses detect and send to it? That we live in our minds?
Yes, The concepts we use to describe our perception - sounds, colors,
smells, etc - don't have an objective reality. That's what Roger Skoff
was discussing.
> Now tell me something I don't already know.
I already referred to the latency inherent in our hearing. Sight is much
worse, with a processing time of up to 500ms. In effect, we are all living
half a second in the past, so even the concept of "now" is subjective.
What fascinates me is that despite the different latencies involved in
hearing, touch, and vision, when we hit, say, a drum with a hand, we see,
hear, and feel the event as instantaneous.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
You may be living 500 milliseconds in the past but not me. I live decades in the past. The newest piece of equipment in my main sound system was made over 20 years ago...by me. If hi fi equipment manufacturers depended on me to survive, they'd all starve to death.
What a valuable insight: Sound is NOT sound but it is actually sound
The guy is clearly an idiot. - b.l.zeebub
C'mon It's positive feedback ... :)
Go Rossi ......
Just another thinly veiled pot shot at measurements , The real scam is from opinion only rags who wont provide any form of measurements.
Positive feedback in a loop .... :)
Go Rossi ......
Edits: 11/17/15
Oh, for goodness sake.
He is correct.
It is all a scam, an "illusion".
Precisely.
When we seek musical reproduction at home, of course we are creating an illusion. And, truth be told, all systems have their limits in creating that illusion; we all want a system "good enough" that we can suspend our disbelief.
That's what he meant, right? :)
Cerebrate!
...Maybe I read it wrong but I thought it was mildly tongue-in-cheek. That and the concept of what we perceive as "reality" being just a fabrication within our brain as it attempts to make sense out the chaos of sensory inputs.
"Maybe I read it wrong"
I don't think so.
"...but I thought it was mildly tongue-in-cheek."
Bingo. I suggest folks read his concluding remarks **carefully**: "Forget all of our past discussions over the relative merits of tubes and solid-state; forget whether cables, cable lifters, room-treatments, power conditioners, "magic boxes," magic bowls, and other hotly-disputed "tweaks" work; forget it ALL: It's all a scam.
"THERE IS NO SOUND. Our measurements have proven it!"
and continue to in the thread(s) below!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Nt
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already?
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
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