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In Reply to: RE:Good point! However, how much are interconnects limiting factor in separates? posted by stehno on April 07, 2015 at 17:07:17
"if "high-end" audio generally fails miserably with 2 speakers, 2 pairs of IC's, and 2 or 3 components, how in the world could more speakers, more connections, and more components bring a system any closer to the absolute sound?"
Well...
1. It doesn't fail miserably.
2. More channels are exactly what it needs for better accuracy with live performances.
3. There IS no absolute sound. (ever walked around a hall during rehearsals?)
4. Real performances also are watched. So it needs video too...
I don't know about your racecar analogy, I bet a dragster wouldn't say no to more traction AND more horsepower...
"almost nobody has yet discovered where the serious flaws are within our components"
"Serious" is tough to define, but in general I think just the opposite is true. I'd venture to say that most of the problems are known in general but that their thresholds of perception (and importance) individually and collectively are a gray area, especially across populations of listeners and musical genre.
I used to design electronic stuff that had both aural and visual outputs and the acuity of the experienced user's ears was just breathtaking. Amazingly subtle nuances in the sounds made all the difference to them. Seem familiar? It's not so much that the gear is too bad, it's that our hearing is too good! The cool thing is that the technology is really coming of age and many of the things that are still fuzzy will likely be well quantified and controlled by 2020.
Something to look forward too...
Rick
Follow Ups:
Rick, It seems in perhaps every point you've made here, you're talking apples and I'm talking oranges or vice versa and frankly I couldn't disagree more.
But thanks for your response.
"you're talking apples and I'm talking oranges"
Seems like it. But at least we tried...
Rick
I like apples ...:)
If Devialet is the genesis of this new circle and if we were to extrapolate , then the future will be different and quiet possibly better, making Stenho single box only theory a possibility. The single box approach is nothing new of course and IME has never bettered individual SOTA seperates , is it cost effective ? yes , better ? Never experienced such ....
Akin to having slower laptimes and then Boast about paying less for the tires .. :)
Regards..
"I like apples ...:) "
And I like Lattes! (sipping one now...)
I'm not a car fancier but I do love electronics and so know a great deal more about the latter than the former having plied the trade for over forty years from college to retirement. Based on that dubious qualification I can say with confidence that there is no singular answer.
If you give me the least provocation I'll bore you to death with the strengths and weaknesses of the tradeoffs inherent in the two approaches but the upshot is that system design and implementation is everything and that the optimum approach is a function of the environment and application. While there is no blanket answer in a given instance there may be.
At the risk of seeming trite: if your system sounds good and you listen to it a lot and love the experience: it IS good. Now that doesn't mean that it can't be improved, especially with respect to the satisfaction of a single user, but diminishing, albeit hopefully pleasant, returns are the goal. I think most folks on AA are likely already there and that is why we seem so obsessive about minutia. Once satisfaction has settled in it then becomes a matter of tuning for the most joy. Maybe an ackward way to express it but something along that line and I think we all love finding little ways of elevating our experiences even though they were already on a very satisfactory level. Sensory greed? Whatever it is it's fun to do and to chat about with other sonic addicts.
Regards, Rick
IMO,
Integrateds trade off's are mostly due to the limited space available for the PSU's, a SOTA integrated would have at least 3 PSU's to have the same or similar performance of separates and then there is poor noise rejection due to proximity ...
Most would not be interested in a 120lb integrated ... :)
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