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In Reply to: RE: "the factory drops by to help out" posted by Rob Doorack on February 22, 2015 at 16:18:42
"in house guru"
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> "in house guru"
Correct, Herb's guru, not Pioneer's. Mike Trei is a NY-based turntable
set-up expert.
Regarding the issue of the tonearm bearings needing adjustment, this is
something that specialty audio retailers provide. They're being able to so
so is a reason to buy from such a retailer rather than searching on the
Internet for the lowest price.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
John;
Buying from a retailer is well and fine for those of you that live in or near a large metropolitan area, but a lot of us live in "fly over" territory.
For those of us that live in the hinterlands, traveling a long distance and getting hotel room in order to buy a $600 table makes zero sense.
This begs the question; Why can't the manufacturer ship the table after checking the tonearm bearings (as well as other parameters) after going through a more rigorous quality control inspection?
The original poster (fstein) is correct in his assertion that the table and arm combo under review should have NEVER left the manufacturer in the condition the reviewer received it. If you received a television in less than 100% optimum operating condition it would piss you off, but it's somehow "acceptable" when we're talking about a mid-fi piece of audio gear......Disappointing.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
(nt)
Dear Mr Tellig,First, let me say that I really enjoy your prose. Funny, poignant, satirical of the high-end culture.
Second, I am (truly) sorry that you were not paid on time. This should not happen, no matter if you're salaried on not.
Third, I guess that it's about time to question your integrity. And the sad thing is, that it's really your own doing. Not anyone else's.
I'll explain.
1. You worked in Stereophile for many years, why spread the bad word now? Yes, I know, you did not receive your payment on time. But refresh our memory, Mr. Ex-Associate Editor, where were you until recently? (Sorry, I did not hear that well...TAS? No? interesting).
2. Your reviews (and I'm being kind in not adding any quotations marks here) in Stereophile never had any measurement attached to them, which made them the perfect vehicle for solicited, intentional marketing that you are now condemning with such inspiring passion.
So, please, enough already with self-righteous ridiculous crusade. Move on.
Edits: 03/04/15
I agree about his reviews. Loved his column, one of the top highlights of every issue. But because of this, I always took his recommendations with a grain of salt. His approach was so heavily skewed to the subjective side that there was just too much potential for funny business for me. Absolutely not accusing him of that (no evidence nor intent as far as I know) but the framework made it way too possible for my liking.
I would agree with your assessment of Stereo pile going to great lengths to protect advertisers. It's a matter of self preservation really.
Pioneer probably has more money allotted for advertising every year than a company like DeVore will ever make, let alone allocate to a advertising budget.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
> I would agree with your assessment of [Stereophile] going to great lengths
> to protect advertisers. It's a matter of self preservation really.
Ask yourself how you knew the bearings on the Pioneer tonearm needed
adjustment.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 03/01/15
Like the recent review of the Cambridge integrated amp, and many others over the years.
Perhaps the mark of a "high end" amplifier is that it blows up on the test bench!
> Like the recent review of the Cambridge integrated amp, and many others
> over the years.
What's interesting about this example is that Cambridge distributor Audio
Plus Services is an advertiser in Stereophile but Pioneer isn't.
> Perhaps the mark of a "high end" amplifier is that it blows up on the test
> bench!
I am assuming that retailers are the first line of defense against these
"infant mortalities," ie, they break when the dealer plugs them in before
selling them.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Yes, and non advertisers get raked over the coals because they can't fight back. They have no advertising to pull. Coffman Labs is a case in point. What an unfair and nasty write up that was.
I never did.
Quite the opposite, I went out of my way to seek out products from non-advertisers.
If you don't live in Los Angeles, Denver, New York, etc, that's not so much an option anymore.
"We are all in God's hands... and God is a malign thug."
-Mark Twain
So a long term local high end dealer does not promise they have ANY expert to set up your TT.
It was Rega. They said if I want a precise setup to BUY the REGA cart. It comes with a third pin to lock in setting of cart.
Otherwise I was SOL.
There's a difference between "price" and "value" -- the lowest "price" isn't a priori the best "value".
This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine -- folks tend to forget that "one gets what one pays for".
all the best,
mrh
The record player should have been returned if it was defective and another, off the shelf model retested. This is really just common sense methodology, in my mind. This is particularly true given the mass market availability and relatively low price point of the Pioneer table.
The generalizability of the Herb's findings are going to be limited to those of us who have access to a Pioneer table that's been tweaked by Mike Trei.
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