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In Reply to: RE: Hey posted by Awe-d-o-file on February 16, 2015 at 20:15:24
Well i hope John makes it, i have been pissed off by the subscription people before actually never renewed because off and since JA is one of the few doing measurements i best run and throw my hat back in the ring, maybe too little too late , damn if all's left is the opinion rags ...
Regards ...
Follow Ups:
still around after four full years.
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Life. Look.
Newsweek. U.S. News.
High Fidelity (before it turned into a home theater rag).
Time and Reader's Digest are walking corpses. All their subscribers are not only old, but most are dead. Time, in particular, has almost no ads. Time's up.
Personal finance magazines are washed up, too, along with a vanishing middle class that has given up on upward mobility.
New York Magazine (once a vibrant weekly) is now a largely-ignored monthly. There is no buzz.
The Atlantic and Harper's have largely abandoned their literary roots. (The Atlantic does have an excellent website.)
The New Republic may or may not be printing in the future, after more than a century of publication.
Byte bit the dust with overnight speed. Technology moved too fast. No one wants even last week's news about computers.
Black and white photojournalism is gone.
Very sad. Especially for the creative people involved.
Remember, Mr. "Wangmr" in Hong Kong. You, too, may become obsolete one day. And through no fault of your own.
with a print mag in my hard-held hands.
thanks.
roger wang
"Very sad [lost of jobs]. Especially for the creative people involved."
I apologize for going a little off topic. This reminds me of how sad it is that the word 'downsizing' has become synonymous with forward thinking. There is only so far you can go.
"Remember, Mr. "Wangmr" in Hong Kong. You, too, may become obsolete one day. And through no fault of your own."
This sounds intriguing. Please don't do me. I'd rather it come as a surprise.
You are probably right Sam. Just pull out an issue of Stereophile from fifteen years ago or so if you have one. Today's issue looks thin indeed.
I usually pull out my old Audio mags, take a sip , salute and then put them away ... :)
I wouldn't bet against you on that.
E
T
IMO, there are no E-zines with the same content, credibility, and quality of Stereophile.
Soundstage is pretty good. They even include measurements for many DUTs (which is one reason why SP is king of the hill), but not the same suite as SP and without any commentary to help interpret the figures. Also, they have a revolving door of writers and I can't get a read on their biases/preferences.
But, again, I prefer SP. Just last night, I laid on the couch reading the latest issue. I can't do that with an E-zine.
Sure you can - Kindle - better for the environment too.
Hi,
Thanks for pointing out our measurements. Insofar as our amplifier measurements go, Bascom King does most, though we do have another firm working with us in Canada now.
The speaker measurements have long been the standard to which others are judged, mostly because we've done them in a true anechoic chamber at Canada's National Research Council -- since the year 2000! And we're actually looking right now at some additional equipment that's going to improve them even more.
That said, you're right, we don't provide interpretation of them -- something I was thinking of writing an article about. Why? As I said, an article will be coming, but part of the reason is that you have to do MANY MORE measurements than even we are doing to *begin* to properly interpret the sound from them, particularly with speakers. That's often why there's a complete failure when someone tries to assess too much. This is something I learned back in 2000 when I set up the speaker-measurement program for us.
But that doesn't mean they're useless -- far from it. The measurements we do go a long way to valid manufacturers' specifications, point out design flaws, assess design competence, indicate quality-control issues, etc. In that regard, they're incredibly valuable.
Doug Schneider
SoundStage!
I really find your loudspeaker measurements interesting and very useful in winnowing down the various choices to a shortlist of speakers to audition. They were a factor in a few of my purchasing decisions.
But there are a couple of valuable pieces of data missing, and if you are considering improvements please think about them:
1. Plot vertical dispersion, e.g. +/- 15 deg off axis in the vertical plane. This helps me understand what the in-room power response is going to be, and sometimes a flat on-axis response doesn't sound flat due to deep off-axis nulls in the vertical plane, and sometimes a non-flat on-axis response is partially offset by off-axis response.
2. Change the scale of your THD measurements so they have more range. With modern low distortion loudspeakers, it's often impossible to tell anything about midrange distortion because it's off the bottom of the chart.
3. Consider adding IM distortion measurements. I only recently started trying to measure this myself (you can see my first attempt via the link below). I was surprised to find that IM distortion can exceed harmonic distortion, so I suspect your THD+N measurements understate are only telling half of the distortion story.
Thanks,
Dave
Hi,Thanks for your suggestions.
Speaking to #1, +/-15 degrees vertically is actually incorporated into the Listening Window already. We could plot those separately (the + and - 15), but in my opinion, to get a really accurate picture of sound power, you have to do sound power. In the chamber, it's incredibly time consuming, but one thing I mentioned earlier is we're looking at new test equipment, and with that one of the things we'll be able to do is true sound power. Stay tuned.
I hear you about wanting to see below, say, 45dB. The issue there is you're already more than 40dB down from the main signal with what we publish, so less than 1% distortion. Lower than that, you start getting into the noise threshold of the room, which is already MUCH lower than anyone can achieve with typical gated techniques in a regular room, or outside, which is what other magazines usually resort to. Therefore, I'm not sure what going lower might tell us.
The IMD is a good point.
Doug
Edits: 02/20/15
Power Cube, you will like it, Poser amps not .............. :)
They will have to merge to survive , Absolutephile .....:)
"They will have to merge to survive , Absolutephile ....."
Absolute-zero-profit-phile.
...there will still be enough old baby boomers left with their reading glasses to support a few.
No profit is not new to the industry, when we did the math in the 90's it was redonculous and back then there were maybe 2000% more outlets than currently, You had to be in ASIA to survive, US sales paid the overheads if you were lucky, It made no Business sense and this was the 90's, cant imagine the task today.The Internet helps today, non existent to limited access back then, small manufacturers ( A full page ad to be seen was 25K )dont have to play arse kiss to the Mags anymore, the dealers, the other road block, who single handily raped the customers with bad audio and limited knowledge are gone. In the shake up since then, the Audiophile is better served and is now better able to make his own decision instead of being forced feed BS from unscrupulous sales people, pushing the product of the month.
Regards...
Edits: 02/17/15 02/17/15
Absolute Sound is now much better and a far superior digital read.
The latest issue (recommended components) has a really good and readable layout, as opposed to the small print in Stereophile.
...base your prediction on? Don't misunderstand, I believe your prediction will eventually come to pass, but I think your time frame is too pessimistic.
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