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In Reply to: RE: Hmm, apparently you're right. They may be good, but he's touting products he sells. nt posted by Rick W on January 08, 2015 at 12:29:56
http://www.dynamic-contrasts.com
PS-since your site is all flash, mobile users are unable to access it.
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Rick W. I may be touting technology but I'm not touting my products as I ain't got none to tout. So if you're going to accuse me of violating some ethics, at least be accurate.Perhaps AA should include a box to check "former mfg'er".
Show me one place on this website or any other for that matter where I've tried to sell anybody anything I've mfg'ered in the past few years.
Nah, I gave up trying to sell in this industry when I realized nobody really gives a rat's behind about real performance (unless they're typing in a forum) and when the only thing visitors at my exhibiting rooms could muster was, "How much for the speakers?" even after explaining the technology to them.
My website stays up because I'm proud of my efforts and the performance levels I've accomplished (and that nobody else has or may ever acheive) and continue to improve on in my spare time. And I'm certainly not going to "hide my light under a bushel" simply because at one time I mfg'ered 5 racks and still own 3 of them.
But I do continue to tout the technology and its performance especially when others make silly or outlandish performance claims. I don't think I ever volunteer it. But when a poster says something nonsensical or something is impossible or when somebody says something about vibration control that defies the laws of physics, would you guys prefer that I lie? Am I helping anybody if I know the answer to a question but remain silent? Would that be ethical?
And Hawkmoon, the mass loading I'm currently employing is roughly 1000 lbs. of compressive force on my little amps. Like I said in that meet up announcement, "In all my 12 years of R&D, the most important thing I've discovered is that extreme results can only occur from extreme efforts. Never by half-assed or token efforts." And what I do is far from just mass loading.
Perhaps I need to take that mindset to a more appropriate performance-oriented industry.
BTW, the last thing that I designed and mfg'ered was a new prototype about a year ago? Could I interest any of you to replace your mufflers with a variable tuned exhaust apparatus? :)
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Variable tuned exhaust App ! I'm interested , speak up ......
Well, the pie-in-the-sky goals were to provide a street-driven car an exhaust as quiet as a Tesla :), double the rated gas mileage, double the rated hp, and remove 40 lbs. of mufflers, resonators, and exhaust pipe. Actually my goals were a bit less lofty than those.This was to be accomplished simply by installing a mechanical valve at the end of a straight exhaust pipe which would generate a constant but minimal amount of backpressure from idle to full-throttle. In other words, the entire powerband would ideally become a vehicle's optimal operating range.
What do you want to know?
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I read what you suggested we Google, then checked out your profile - which had a link to a website that had a means to contact you re: orders for your racks and $89 each "diodes" (threaded spikes is probably what most of us would call 'em). How am I supposed to know you stopped selling stuff 4 years ago? There was nothing I saw on your site indicating that. You've certainly posted some, ahh, strongly worded claims here regarding the hundreds of improvements you've achieved apparently via the racks/"diodes" that were for sale on your site.You've now removed the link and I didn't bookmark it, so I can't link the first page of your site. But the last two paragraphs of the first page sure seemed like a sales pitch. Your intention may have been to enlighten/share rather than make a biz out of it, but you were offering products for sale and making some pretty damn extravagant claims about them.
Having never heard your system I obviously can't comment on how it sounds, nor how much of a positive contribution your racks and "diodes" made towards what the visitors heard. The comments they posted were certainly all positive, though none specifically mentioned your rack(s)/spikes.
Maybe you're on to something, maybe not. But if there is no place to go for any kind of demo, you're no longer selling any of your discoveries/products, and offer no detailed instructions telling anybody how to replicate the pathway to the *hundreds* of improvements you discovered, what does it matter?
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Rick W, it seems that along with your apology, in just about every other sentence you continue making further accusations and derogatory statements.
I haven't deleted anything that you claim I have. Perhaps I have an advocate around these parts who's acting on my behalf but I haven’t touched a thing.
As for my "ahh, strongly worded claims", whether their real, etc. I assure you I’m being quite conservative in my claims. Perhaps you should check the feedback on my website, which is, yup, 4 years or older and most of the significant feedback can be verified as it points to other websites.
You also keep hammering the "racks/$89 diodes" drum giving clear indication that among other things you can't read well, because what I'm ultimately propagating is building a system on the right foundation, which in addition to the spectacular benefits of proper vibration mgmt, also includes the far lesser but still very significant proper AC/electrical mgmt. Proper AC/electrical mgmt includes first and foremost superior line conditioning, but also properly cryo-treated (via full immersion) outlets, Romex wiring, outlets, inlets, plugs, fuses, etc, dedicated circuits/lines wired at the same phase/leg at the service panel, and cable lifters.
The message I really propagate is as I stated elsewhere, “Our systems require 2 basic energies to even function, electricity and vibrations. However, when these same 2 energies are improperly managed, they will utterly destroy our components' accuracy and precision so that they function at only a fraction of their full potential. A performance-limiting governor if you will." Hence, it's not the lowly $10k in retail components and speakers that generate this phenomenal level of performance I claimed at that demo. It's the $14k behind the scenes dedicated to properly controlling these 2 energies that makes all the difference in the world.
"Maybe I’m onto something or maybe not?” Really?
You’re such a thorough investigator and smart feller. Did you happen to check out the feedback on my website and also Audio Exotics of Hong Kong’s website? On the very first day after installing my rack into their $475k showroom system the distributor promptly wrote the CEO of Zanden saying, ""Dear Yamada, It is very very important to let you know. If you want to listen to the maximum performance of your Zanden system. Please come. No Doubt, it will be a new experience even for you--the inventor of Zanden. This orange thing is monster!! I am sure!” How they achieved such a level of performance on the first day is beyond me. In all my experiences, the magic doesn’t even start to kick in until day 5 and continues up to 18 months later.
Now somebody more insightful than you might even put 2 and 2 together realizing from this 1 Audio Exotics quote that even the best mfg'ers in the industry don't have a clue about real performance or what their own desgins are truly capable of.
Elsewhere, after purchasing a 2nd rack for their other $500k showroom system, Audio Exotics, who represents some of the best and most expensive products the industry offers, claimed my rack to be their greatest find in recent years. You know what’s really funny, Rick? The versions Audio Exotics has is perhaps 1/3rd the performer of my rack today.
Finally, you asked, what does it matter? In an industry filled with paper tigers that do little but talk performance all day long in forums like this where all performance battles seem to be won or lost, it obviously matters very little. But every once in a blue moon somebody comes along who is genuinely interested in wanting to know about real performance. I assure you, it ain’t many.
Are you through with your mock inquisition yet?
Dunno how I mistakenly thought you'd deleted the link to your site, and I could no longer show something I referred to earlier. Perhaps it was due to this:http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/critics/messages/7/77372.html
I just checked and the link is still in your profile. Apparently I was wrong to assume you'd done what you said.
You may not have *sold or manufactured* anything in 4 years, but it seems you haven't stopped trying. I do admit I was careless in posting this statement of mine -- "But if there is no place to go for any kind of demo, you're no longer selling any of your discoveries/products, and offer no detailed instructions telling anybody how to replicate the pathway to the *hundreds* of improvements you discovered, what does it matter?" Apparently that was incorrect, and I *could* still buy your products. Why else would you have an order form on your site, including listing what cc cards you accept?
After this exchange, somehow I doubt I'll be sending an e-mail to you asking for a demo at your residence, and I don't happen to live near Hong Kong.
"Did you happen to check out the feedback on my website and also Audio Exotics of Hong Kong's website?"
The only "feedback" I read was from people who'd visited your listening room. I stated they had very positive things to say about your system, but I didn't see anything specific about your racks, diodes, nor ac conditioning/wiring. As I said earlier, your products and concepts may well be very good. I have no idea if your clamping concept is in fact a great idea, but judging from the pics of your racks they look well made and carefully thought out. Wonder how many of those who've visited your listening room were so impressed that they bought your products, adopted your ac/setup ideas and are now enjoying "hundreds of improvements" in their systems as a result.
Dunno if you stock whatever supplies you'd need to manufacture the items you're selling thru your site. But what you do seem to have a very large supply of is self aggrandizing statements. Fortunately I've never run across a hifi enthusiast in person who is as full of himself as you are.
Much as I'd like to spend another few hours discussing racks/diodes/ac and the "hundreds" of improvements you've wrought, I'll be saying bye-bye now. Believe it or not, I'd much rather listen to MUSIC than read all about your amazing audio related accomplishments - albeit via my lowly system that could sure use hundreds of improvements.
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Let's think about this, Rick. Now obviously you didn't, but let's think about this.
You bring into question my character with potential ethics violations. Then you (having no experience with what I have or haven’t achieved) assert repeated nonsensical and derogatory statements trying to bring into question whether or not my claims are legit by implying I don't know what I'm talking about. And when I defend my accomplishments you try to spin my defense as patting myself on the back, self-aggrandizing, and I’m full of myself? From your ignorant perspective, I can see where you’re coming from, but ignorance is still a choice.
Believe me. In an industry where perhaps 50% still deny that electronic burn-in exists, maybe 98% still believe “the room” is the most important component, and 99.9% spend their entire lives trying to defy laws of physics, along with all the other folklore, you have no idea how conservative I try to be when typing in forums.
And now you'd rather listen to music than discuss this, eh? Yeah, right. Tell me about the quality of the music you listen to. That's why you're here, right? That's supposedly why we're all here, right? Not to just listen to music but hopefully attain an improved quality of the musicality that might have somewhat the resemblance of the original performance. Of course, I’m sure you’d agree with Robert Harley, Jonathan Valin, and some other notables claims that even the industry’s very best SOTA playback system’s performance levels are but a remnant of the live performance. Harley even used the word catastrophic. Is this the level of music you’d rather get back to hearing?
Let's be intellectually honest here. You know as well as I do that even a chimpanzee can listen to music on a $5 transistor radio and probably get some pleasure. Yet, a chimpanzee cannot invest thousands or hundreds of thousands of their hard-earned dollars into a playback system that should provide them a reasonable return on that investment. Nor am I aware that a chimpanzee can discern or at least articulate the quality of the music they hear. Yet, if you purchased a new $400k Ferrari that only performed like a $25k Chevy Impala, would you not hightail it back to the dealer and demand a refund? Are you so ignorant that you think this isn't happening in high-end audio? Do you cringe like I do at all the outlandish hype in the magazines? Where's your cry for potential ethics violations here?
How about the original poster of this thread where in his ignorance mocks the Redbook format "Perfect Sound Forever" and Class D amps as inferior technologies while praising whatever it is he owns, giving clear indication he knew not what he speaketh and I felt obliged to correct him? Look how this industry has destroyed the Redbook format’s reputation as inferior while smugly praising higher-rez formats, when they themselves even with hi-rez are only hearing at best the equivalent of an MP3 recording? (Remember, Harley used the word catastrophic.) How about when an ignorant comment about Class D technology is made and the audience believes it? How much potential financial harm is induced on those Class D mfg’ers who make viable and competitive products because of people’s ignorant words in public forums? Who was in potential ethics violations here? The one who spoke unintelligently to an audience, the unintelligent audience (like you) that condoned his words, or the one who corrected him? Where's your cry for potential ethics violations here? Or would you consider me more ethical if I remained silent just so you and others like you can live out the remainder of your days spending your hard earned money in ignorant and catastrophic bliss?
Tell you what, Rick. Now I've never heard your playback system but tell me about the quality of music you hear on your playback system and then I'll take a shot at describing the quality of music I think you're hearing. Or I'll even go first if you prefer. Then we'll compare notes as to who is more accurate, who’s self-aggrandizing and applying industry hype, and who’s really living in a dream state.
Better yet, since you and Mr. Batch68 are so concerned about my potential ethics violations, why don't you two petition AA to start a new category entitled, "Industry Ethics". You guys can even start with me if you want. I'll bet dollars to donuts within weeks, the level of participation in that new category would dwarf perhaps every other category here on AA.
Otherwise, why not stop with the spin and the pretentious and pious attitude?
Mr. Stehno,
I see you've referenced me in your last post. I also see from your earlier response that you noted the first link I posted, but did not address the second one. Unlike your industry news post, the 2nd one was in the tweaker's forum and dated December 9, 2011 (it also included a web link in the actual post) -- that's just a hair over exactly three years ago, which I would certainly put within your classification of "past few years." The larger point is that you were, in fact, breaking the rules by promoting your goods without declaring to be a manufacturer.
You say you that you are no longer breaking the rules & I'm happy to take you at your word on that one. You have to understand that many of us feel very protective of AA b/c it is the only audio forum worth a damn. Based on this thread & the link it appeared you were breaking the rules on manufacturers and then when I saw you actually were breaking the rules in the past it got my hackles up. If you felt attacked by that I apologize. I'll shut up now and listen to your ideas about racks.
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Thanks for your respectful note, Mr Batch68.I've been a member of AA for perhaps 15 years and I have no problem abiding by others rules and ethics (so long as they don't conflict with my own). Going from enthusiast to product launch and back again, well, there's no 1-stop shop set of procedures to properly put up my tent nor tear it down. In other words I was and am ignorant about some of this stuff. But since ignorance is a choice, I'm ultimately to blame and I apologize for that.
I'm certainly well aware there are many who look for every opportunity to cleverly and even not-so-clevely plug their own gear. When discussing performance in these forums , I usually try to limit my topic of discussion here and elsewhere to proper line conditioning and proper AC mgmt for at least the following reasons.
1) To avoid the appearance of shilling. Even though it seems everybody is shilling something, whether it be product, concepts, IQ's, bling bling, charisma, etc.
2) Even though proper AC mgmt can be a very substantial performance gain when properly executed, it still pales in comparison to proper (extreme) vibration mgmt. (no plug intended). But since most audiences seem unable to put their arms around even the very basics of the lesser proper AC mgmt, there's no reason for me to even mention the greater proper vibration mgmt. (I've already banged my head against that wall so many times, it started to feel good).
Of course, then I meander over to the Tweaks category where I hear some downright outlandish statements about vibration control, electrical vs. mechanical break-ins, etc. and well, it becomes a real struggle sometimes.
And no I won't be sharing ideas about my racks. But I'm always happy to to discuss concepts, logic, common sense, laws of physics, and especially performance with reasonable enthusiasts who seem genuinely interested in extracting greater levels of musicality from their systems.
Anyway, thanks for your note and I better appreciate where you're coming from.
BTW, does this mean you're not going to petition AA to start a new category entitled, "Industry Ethic"? I was kinda' looking forward to that one. I can think of a few unrelated threads I'd probably want to start. :)
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Mr. Stehno,
I was willing to accept this was all an honest mistake until you decided to attack Rick, but I think you've crossed a line here -- especially as you actually have done what he claims. Earlier you asked:
Show me one place on this website or any other for that matter where I've tried to sell anybody anything I've mfg'ered in the past few years.
Well, it certainly looks like in the past you have openly hawked product (& did so without an M under your name -- which, to me, runs counter to the spirit of AA rules):
http://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=news&n=331&highlight=stehno&search_url=%2Fcgi%2Fsearch.mpl%3Fforum%3Dgeneral%26session%3D185844191&r=
http://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=tweaks&n=181518&highlight=stehno&search_url=%2Fcgi%2Fsearch.mpl%3Fforum%3Dgeneral%26session%3D185844191&r=
Dear Mr. Batch68. Attack Rick? I thought I was being kind.Did you bother to look at that post date of 2010? That's when I announced my product release and it looks like the link to my press release is at the bottom should substantiate that.
Now contrast the year 2010 with 2015. Does that constitute "past few years" to you? Even if in your own defense you answered yes, that still was half a decade ago and certainly a different time period for me and what I was attempting to accomplish.
Don't pretend to be so magnanimous with your forgiveness and your version of ethics when you're really seeking to condemn me.
Keep lookin' and good luck. I'm sure you'll find something somewhere to condemn me and then you'll sleep better knowing that "high-end" audio is safe once again because of you.
Pretty naive if you ask me.
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Good luck in the future and keep posting here. I've learned something and that's what makes this forum worthwhile.
Thanks, Hawkmoon. It's always a pleasure to run into somebody who's open-minded.
I wrote the "Mass Loading" only after reading the brief write up on the web page. When I actually saw some photo's, I realized you were "clamping" the individual components and draining them to ground (the floor). I cannot see from the pictures but do the bars that run across the components make full contact across the width of the component or do you have spikes or another end that meets the component? Good stuff and an idea that we all should embrace. Shades of the Amp Clamp from Michael Green!
Hawkmoon, the bars do run across the entire component. There are steel pods that bolt into the solid steel shelf. There's a bottom bar attached to the shelf with the component sandwiched in between the top and bottom bars such that when tightend, the top bar compresses the component onto the steel pods. The bottom bar never makes contact with the component.
It's important to by-pass the worthless stock footer.
If you should try anything, just remember that you are attempting to create a superior mechanical conduit so that unwanted mechanical energy can freely transfer expediently between normally disparate objects before it can bottleneck, start releasing its energy, and thus induce its destructive harm.
Also remember, since electricity is a form of vibration (what isn't?) and is always seeking the most expedient path of least resistence to ground, so too are mechanical vibrations.
For this reason I like to use the analogy of a lightning rod. Like the lightning rod, your components are attracting unwanted energy and without a superior grounding wire, rod, and connectors, that lightning rod's performance will be catastrophic regardless of its quality. The rack is the grounding wire.
The word catastrophic is accurate and reminds me of what Robert Harley, editor of TAS mag, who in the Mar/Apr 2009 issue said, "I believe that something catastrophic is occurring at the recording mic's diaphragms so that much of the music never makes it to the recording." paraphrased.
Elsewhere Harley expanded on this by stating his speculation was based primarily on a simple experiment conducted by Ed Meitner of EMM Labs who played some notes from a guitar into a guitar amp, recorded the notes, and then played back the notes using the same guitar amp. The results of the reproduced notes vs the live notes were so radically different, this was apparently Meitner's conclusion.
Obviously their conclusion and subsequent speculations were wrong IMO, but Harley was right on the money when he used the word catastrophic.
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