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In Reply to: RE: DBT or not DBT posted by Ozzie on December 02, 2014 at 19:07:52
had been banned. Perhaps that was just in "cables".
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So far, just in Cables. If you go down to H. in the Rules, which are linked below, you can see what it says.
The big proponents of the efficacy of DBT are long gone, notably mtrycrafts, Richard Greene, and jj. I'm just a minor player. But someone is needed to knock down overconfident subjectivism.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
I've long said that forums needed a sticky on this issue. A debate sticky. One side outlines a Masters thesis on why DBT in audio is critical heading off any and all counter arguments - the other side gets their essay. Each paper has a list of every reference, link to other articles, essays etc. Then at the top of every audio forum a title that says:
"Read this if you are planning to buy an audio system/component as you may or may not be getting royally screwed out of your hard earned money."
Then it's Caveat Emptor. In most forums it seems that 95% are the same people discussing various topics. Do you really think there is any point in discussing DBT with E-Stat or John Atkinson or Kal or most of the other people who have read all about audio DBTs over the last 10-20 years and for which it is the exact same argument over and over again?
Insanity "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
their attempt to *leverage* results often made decades ago with specific gear to The Entire Universe of All Components That Follow .
Tests prove what they prove only on that which was tested. No more. It always puts a smile on my face when some reference the pathetic Roger Russell links pointing to the unfortunate souls who spent 50 hours(!) comparing 24 gauge zip to 16 gauge zip. Yawn. They then conclude that evidence proves that far lower EDC cable available in this century somehow must perform no better. :)
"Hey, I don't have a single citation..."
You have given no reason to believe that the table in Roger Russell's article on speaker wire is not applicable today. Below,I am providing a link to that table. Roger Russell is an expert in audio. Whatever else you may be, I see no reason to suppose you are an expert in audio.
You still have given no reason to suppose that modern audiophile cables perform better than ordinary speaker cable from the hardware store.
But if anyone likes some expensive cables better than ordinary speaker wire, that's fine with me. But liking a cable and proving an audible difference are different things.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
You have given no reason to believe that the table in Roger Russell's article on speaker wire is not applicable today.Who said that? Certainly impedance/resistance plays a part in audible performance. Similarly, you must have enough air in tires to provide decent performance. And some poor fools spent 50 hours proving that toy 24 gauge wire doesn't work very well! Others, however, go beyond his nursery school approach.
The obvious oversight is that this "expert" overlooks everything else in the real world interacting with speakers that affects performance like inductance, capacitance and RFI.
As for those who actually listen to music and have exposure to something other than "hardware store wire", we greatly prefer cables with a lower effective dielectric constant (less time smear) than mediocre zip cord.
The Russell links remain a simplistic joke that only speak to the obvious. I'm happy you continue find them useful.
Edits: 12/07/14
...if not done properly, and none are, they don't "prove" anything.
Not everyone who reads posts here has been through the arguments. Actually, I am sure I could learn some things from Kal Rubinson.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
You're most likely mistaking it for tripping over yourself, and not being able to get out of your own way - there was plenty of that, for sure.
> But someone is needed to knock down overconfident subjectivism.>
It's impolite comments like that which sent all of the pro-DBT posts to PropHeads for a while.
Where they could die an obscure death.
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