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In Reply to: RE: "jump factor" is posted by hifitommy on August 31, 2014 at 23:58:39
It seems as though you didn't even bother to read my response. Oh, well.
Can we at least agree that the "Wow factor" might be a better way to describe what you're experiencing? As in, "Wow!!! I can't believe my electronics caused me to jump yet again almost as though my ears are inches from the instruments during the initial attack, but my butt is planted well into the audience for the remainder of the notes."
Reminds of an old joke.
A mouse walks into a bar and sits on a stool next to a pretty elephant. When the bar closes the mouse and elephant leave together. The next morning the mouse comes staggering into the same bar and sits on a stool. The bartender says, "Hey, I remember you. You were in here last night and went home with that elephant. You look tired as all git out. How come?" The mouse replied, "Yeah, I'm pretty tired alright. Between the kissin' and the screwin' I musta ran 200 miles last night."
That's what your ears are doing with every Wow factor you and others are experiencing. Running back and forth to the soundstage for every Wow factor you encounter. Regardless of format, including RBCD.
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it seems that we all have a different definition of the expression jump factor. sure, a gunshot makes you jump but when a pianist shifts quickly to a more forward musical phrase, LP seems to have more capability of conveying this.
i also expect sacd or a hi rez download such as 24/96 or 24/192 will have this capability as well. i don't have the setup for hi rez digital playback except for sacd/dvda OR LP.
having WAY more vinyl than hi rez, it's where i get to hear that jump. in reading about the PS Audio perfect wave dac in the current Stereophile makes me wonder if its replay format of rbcd could render the same thing. read it and you may identify with what i am saying.
...regards...tr
I love these responses, as most seem to imply that it is a certain COMPONENT (speaker, whatever) or METHOD (analog, digital) of the reproduction chain that may be "at fault".How about what's trying to be reproduced. Think a live concert [Atlanta Symphony] - but more to the point - a composer / arranger "setting you up" - to jump: like Haydn's Surprise symphony; or a Big Band call and response - soloist.. quiet..full backup section.
Your playback system "rounds off / slows down" transients - electrodynamic speakers are probably the biggest offenders. Working back towards the front of the recording chain - like low generation master tapes helps but then the system (recording and playback) ssslllooowww things down mitigating the jump factor.
Charles
Maybe a more universal question is "does/how does your system convey EMOTION"? Do you care?
Do you ever cry? When you listen to music or when the Mastercard bill comes...
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" a composer / arranger "setting you up" - to jump: like Haydn's Surprise symphony; or a Big Band call and response - soloist.. quiet..full backup section."
Right. Sounds like the jump factor happens all the time in your neck of the woods.
Next time you're at a concert and you're seated in the audience, count how many times you "jump" or even want to jump. Better yet, think back to you earlier years when you might have attended a concert and try to remember if you ever jumped once from the surprise attack of a music note at 120 db.
Okay, so maybe Ted Nugent made you jump once at one of his concerts as you will filling your bong and maybe it was because you were in direct line of a speaker on stage.
It's just plain silly to think your playback system is doing marvelous things if you're jumping around like a little jumping bean.
You may indeed love the emotional and engaging phenomena because it has a warped sense of liveliness. But it simply has little or nothing to do with live music. Unless of course, you're on your lunch hour in a small cafeteria and 6 ft in front of you is a mariachi band ringing in cinco de mayo at festive volume levels. Sure that's live music, but hopefully that's not the type of venue we're talking about.
And yes, in the end you can blame much of what you hear on your playback system. In case nobody's told you lately it's essentially a guarantee that your system sounds nothing like live music.
But far be it from me to say there's something wrong with jump factors or listening to little maracas sounding like 3ft. diameter instruments or cymbals that sound 10 ft. tall. It's all wonderful and exciting phenomena. In fact, when compared to many "fine" systems, I'd prefer this phenomena over some flat, lifeless, 2D soundstage pasted against the back wall that is anything but musical.
It just that such phenomena has little to do with reasonable live music in a reasonable venue.
Noted! Thanks
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