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In Reply to: RE: Paging John Atkinson posted by stehno on August 21, 2014 at 22:26:25
>To the contrary, I would propose that the "jump factor" has very little to
>do directly with a pair of speakers alone.
If you read the second part of my Triangle speaker review (linked below),
you will see that I gave a specific example of two speakers that differed
in this respect. (Scroll down to my discussion of a blind listening test in
which I took part.)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
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Interesting, John. Especially using an MP3 recording. Your review (I didn't read it in its entirety) reminds me that I neglected a few items in my list, namely speaker sensitivity, a system's overall synergy, etc.
Nevertheless, I'm prompted to ask a few questions about your conclusion that speakers are the primary cause for the "jump factor":
o Was this experience a fleeting moment or one-off experience, or was this jump factor prevelant throughout your auditioning?
More specifically:
o Was the jump factor limited to just this one track and a certain frequency / note / passage, or was this jump factor experienced throughout the frequency spectrum across numerous tracks, numerous and varied notes and passages?
o Were you possibly only half paying attention e.g. mind wandering, etc when you experienced this jump factor? (per somebody's previous post)
o Have you ever encountered the "jump factor" with any other speaker-swap only, or just with this one speaker swap?
o Was the experience repeatable?
o Are you implying that by this experience that nothing else matters to obtain this "jump factor"?
> Was this experience a fleeting moment or one-off experience, or was this
> jump factor prevelant throughout your auditioning?It was a characteristic of the speaker being reviewed. (Triangle Signature
Delta). Which answers all your other questions.What impressed me about this speaker is that, unlike the 1970s Wharfedale
I mentioned that also excelled in this area, it hadn't been achieved by
sacrificing other important aspects of reproduction, like neutrality and
accurate imaging.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 08/23/14
Thanks, John. Hoevever, you overlooked a couple of my questions toward the end of my previous response. Also, you give the impression that because of this experience nothing else really matters when it comes to a speaker generating the "jump factor".
Regardless, I'm curious about the jump factor you experienced with the Triangle speakers.
In some recent dealings of my own with dynamics and jump factor and new some high-powered amps, it got to the point that the immediacy of perhaps every initial strike, pluck, or blatt of an instrument became so striking or startling that it seemed as though I were on stage with the instruments. Yet, for the majority of the rest of the notes and presentation, I was seated well into the audience with the instruments up on stage where they belong. It was actually funky because the presentation gave the impression that my perspective was in 2 places at once.
I was eventually able to correct this so that my perspective was entirely from a position well into the audience and though all the immediacy, dynamics, and jump remained, they were now up on stage (without me) with the rest of the music. In other words all the dynamics and jump factor were there but now had distance like the rest of the music.
An extreme example might be the dynamics of a 45-caliber gun shot going off within say 5 feet of me would certainly cause a jump factor every time. But that same gun shot going off 50 - 75 ft away simply does not invoke the same intimate startling jump factor.
Not knowing any of the other factors of your experience with the Triangles, I can't help but wonder if this jump factor experience is a good thing or bad.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy full on dynamics perhaps more than most and listen to music louder than many. In fact, I've always taken great pride in assembling a system perhaps more dynamic than any I've heard. Yet, in the end I've found these impressively startling jump factor initial attacks were actually taking me further away from the live performance rather than closer to it. From a perspective within the audience that is.
Any thoughts on that?
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