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In Reply to: RE: Don't bring up the word "professional" to Americans... posted by RGA on July 23, 2014 at 12:31:19
they don't have the knowledge to know the traditional and/or official name of their country.
You are anti-American: i've met Canadians (sorry to capitalize the name as they hardly deserve it) who pretend to teach English when they just travel throughout the Asian region.
roger wang.
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I never really get comments like this. Bill Maher loves America too - you can criticize something and still love it.
The word professional seems to me to be used in an incorrect way in the U.S. Professional belong to unions and/or have a professional body that grants and removes credentials.
Professional Athletes like in the NHL or MLB belong to a union and the union could in theory take action against one of their players.
I don't really care - I just think this is a rare instance where there are not "enough" words to separate the terms.
In Canadian and British English we use the word Cheque and Check.
I will check that we mailed your cheque to you. In the US this would be I will check that we mailed your check to you. In the US they take out and simplify words but it requires a reading for context.
The word professional is pretty solid and in the US they seem to now just take it to mean that anyone who gets paid for something no matter how pedestrian it is a "professional" which implies that the job they do is a "profession" - it's not.
One should say - I make a living reviewing audio gear or I am a paid reviewer or I am an audio equipment reviewer. Since no reviewer belongs to a reviewing profession or can be kicked out of the field of reviewing by a professional body of their peers then they do not belong to a profession and as such are not professionals.
Some might view this as nitpicky as the split infinitive but if it's good enough for Gene Roddenberry it's good enough for me "To Boldy Go Where No Man Has Gone Before" is incorrect but it sounds right.
If professional reviewer sounds right fine but my problem with it is that implies that reviewers are "better" in some way at discerning differences in audio gear or have better hearing or more experience than those who do not review.
It's the same with professional dieticians - snake oil science that people get paid a living to do to imply that they are in some way related to the medical field - they're absolutely not. It's the dumbing down of professions and turning science into schlock. No doubt there may be an agenda behind doing just that.
You don't need a teaching degree to teach in Asia. I have met some very good non credentialed teachers who should go into the field get the degree and get paid double. Others I have met should absolutely in no way be put within 50 feet of kids.
I am Canadian and while I was teaching in South Korea - I liked the Americans far better than most of the Canadians (stick up their bottoms). And because I wasn't a jerk - I was invited to the military base in Seoul to have dinners with the soldiers.
And there was this woman - a Navy Seal Sniper doing her masters in psychology - she could kill me with two fingers - I was in love. Ahem but that's a whole other topic.
because i called out your baseless claims.
so, do Canadians know their own country's (full) name? that would seem pretty fundamental before you start analyzing other country's knowledge.
oh, and "professional" has two meanings in any use of english that i have seen or observed: standing or ability and non-voluntary work. canadians use it in both senses.
roger wang.
What are you blabbing about? Your strawman is nonsensical. If person is an expert on German History and comes from Argentina but doesn't know the origins of his own country's flag doesn't mean he is no longer an expert on German History.
Kanata is a First Nations name that was later changed to Canada. Not exactly sure why you're focused on the term "Dominion of Canada" - maybe have an actual point to your discussion that is a straight line from A to B.
From OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY
Non Professional: Relating to or engaged in a paid occupation that does not require advanced education or training.
You are NOT a professional if you meet the above criteria - so to the burger flippers and audio reviewers - you are NOT a professional if you did not require advanced education or training in the field.
PERIOD!
The difference is in the use of the term as a verb versus the use of the word as a noun. One can act "professionally" or in a "Professional" manner and not be a Professional belonging to a profession.
Profession:
"1 [countable] a type of job that needs special training or skill, especially one that needs a high level of education the medical/legal/teaching, etc. profession to enter/go into/join a profession (British English) the caring professions(= that involve looking after people)He was an electrician by profession.She was at the very top of her profession.2 the profession [singular + singular or plural verb] all the people who work in a particular type of profession The legal profession has/have always resisted change.3 the professions [plural] the traditional jobs that need a high level of education and training, such as being a doctor or a lawyer employment in industry and the professions4 [countable] profession of something a statement about what you believe, feel or think about something, that is sometimes made publicly
Synonym
declarationa profession of faith His professions of love did not seem sincere.
While the term has been softened by some outfits and some definitions from the 19th century to include other careers - the things that still seem to be required to be considered in a profession is that the career has professional development requirements (union standing which usually forces members to keep up with their standing) and belonging to a community that can revoke your professional standing.
An Audio Reviewer does not belong to any of that. The reviewer may be professional in his dealings with manufacturers and his responsibilities - verb - but he/she does not belong to a profession of audio equipment reviewers.
At best it could be said that the term has loosened to include any career with established training
"Nowadays, the number of professions is much wider and ever-increasing, as occupations become more specialised in nature and more ‘professionalised’ in terms of requiring certain standards of initial and ongoing education – so that anything from automotive technicians to web designers can be defined as professionals."
"What is a profession? We are all familiar with doctors, solicitors and accountants but the list of professions runs into the hundreds covering a huge range of sectors including building, engineering, business, education, technology, hospitality, sciences, the environment, finance, research, information, health, and culture.
A profession is a job or an occupation that requires a certain level of specialist training. Professions rely on expertise and specialised knowledge, as well as ethical behaviour.
Professions are almost always regulated, either by law or through membership of a professional body. Regulation ensures that professionals provide a quality service to the public.
Most professions are represented by a professional body, and professional bodies are responsible for providing a code of conduct for their members which guides their professional behaviour so that the public can be assured of being treated properly.
Why become a professional? At a basic level, you’ll earn more money! And you’ll have an interesting, worthwhile and challenging career in an area where you’ll become an expert. Total Professions offers professional career advice from the professional bodies as well as information on the top professions." http://totalprofessions.com/more-about-professions
And again no reviewer needs to meet any of these criteria.
Now I'm seriously beginning to doubt your veracity, RGA.
"And there was this woman-a Navy Seal Sniper doing her masters in psychology- she could kill me with two fingers- I was in love."
FYI - there are no female US Navy SEALs, and there won't be any until 2016 when females will be introduced to SEAL training in San Diego, CA.
So in deference to your self-described "professional" status, should I address you as a "professional bullshit artist" or will plain old bullshit artist suffice?
Al
That's what I was told. A marine sniper seal. So I take that to mean Navy seal. If I heard it wrong I apologize as I am not up on US Army or any Army lingo. And it was another teacher who told me about her not someone in uniform.
I'll gladly cop to ignorance of Army ranks, titles. And to be fair my blood wasn't exactly in my brain when I was around her.
This is in SK? You posted above the teachers weren't professionals but yet you use one as a source of information. That doesn't make much sense IMO.
And as an American, IMO you're off base on how folks in the U.S. use professional. Maybe that came from those unqualified SK teachers getting big heads and calling themselves professionals.
A field of endeavor (endeavour in case you don't understand) such as the law, medicine, the clergy, accounting (CPAs) are what usually people mean by professional. It is also used to show a distinction in fields that have many amateur practitioners, e.g., golf.
Let's back up.
I am a qualified Teacher with a degree in English/History and a degree in Education and I belong to the college of teachers. Thus I am a professional teacher. I can teach at public schools pretty much around the world. In South Korea, they hire people without teaching degree to teach English (usually private schools who care about money not education). They want a white body in the room. South Korea cracked down and demands a degree in something preferably English. This makes sense because there probably aren't enough fully qualified teachers willing to go to South Korea and often the job doesn't demand what most teachers have to actually do. Standing in front of a class delivering a lesson is merely the tip of the job's iceberg and SK often only demands the tip.
I never said you only needed to take a professional teacher's word for something. I was on a military base - I liked a girl - one of the other people around me who knew her told me about her position. She told me she was a sniper. If I got marine and seal confused or it was related to me incorrectly I call this a minutia irrelevant point. Her rank is about a billion miles away from the point I was making. It's like a guy who makes 100 logical points about a given argument and is wrong about one point that is rather irrelevant and the other side wants to chuck the other 99 arguments away because of one mistake. These people tend to be morons.
Not sure we disagree on the term professional. The point I made was this - just because you earn a living at something doesn't mean you are a professional.
There are lots of professional bodies - if you belong to one you're a professional. Amateur and professional in sports is slightly different but a professional athlete earns a living at it but also belongs to a union which can boot the individual out of the sport for wrongdoing.
The point of all of this is about reviewers. Anyone can slap some sentences together and write a review - whether a movie review or amplifier reviewer. He might even make money on it - but he's not a professional because he does this or happens to be buddies with a guy who decided to give him a reviewing job. I am a teacher and an audio equipment reviewer. I am a professional teacher because i belong to a professional body of teachers and I have professional development. As a reviewer I call myself a reviewer who acts in a professional way.
Doctors work hard for their doctorates - and they deserve their titles. So do people who belong to professions.
I am sorry if I lumped Americans into using the term this way but I get the sense that many in America seem to associate money with being a professional. If you make money no matter what you are a professional. Kind of like some who associate money with being a harder worker or being happy or successful. All of which may have correlations but are not defining characteristics.
RGA, you are truly full of crap! The more you post the worse it gets. You are a right-fighter who is continuously digging the hole that he's burying himself in deeper and deeper.
I don't give a flyin' f**k about your "professional" hangups, the bulls**t stories that you tell in your lame attempts to cover up your lies and mistakes, or your thinly disguised jabs at Americans. Your diatribes radiate an inferiority complex that's second to none.
I see you as a "professional" indoctrinator! A hired hand that really has no business calling himself a teacher. I don't believe that any REAL teacher or educator would admit to belonging in the same "profession" as you.
Stop acting like a cranky little sissy. Stop your lame attempts at justifying yourself. And above all quit using the military to reference your silly bulls**t stories. That would be the right thing to do for both your safety and dignity.
Al
For someone in love, you oddly didn't know her very well.
Love at first sight boys. Okay Lust but she was smokin' and if I can't remember details about name/rank/serial number I was too busy concentrating on not drooling all over myself. She was model good looking - add in the uniform, the brains (number one), and that she could kill a guy with two fingers - was at the time the important bits.
The military folks there were all stand up people and I enjoyed hanging out with all them.
He meant to writer "lust". 'Love ' is reserved for Audio Note.
In that case you should refrain from posting remarks and stories concerning things of which you know nothing about.
Cheers,
Al
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