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In Reply to: RE: LOL! posted by Potzrebie on June 07, 2014 at 16:18:04
No. It's been discussed to death on the Planar Asylum and the information doesn't need to be repeated here.
I am not sure who Jay Carney is, nor do I much care.
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What you do for Magnepan is "ASTROTURFING"!
astroturfing
the act of creating a small organization and making it appear to represent something popular for the purpose of promoting a particular entity, cause, etc. (a play on grassroots in the sense of a popular movement originating among the common people, ultimately from AstroTurf, a brand of artificial grass)
The practice of astroturfing a widely used form of propaganda, as evidenced by the media coverage it receives.
Chill Out! Have a drink!
You are not going to win playing a "MANIC" game of WACK -A -MOLE!
Dude, what I am is a retired audio and video engineer who has owned Maggies since he was in his 20's and hangs out on the Planar Asylum. I like the people at Magnepan, I like the company's philosophy and integrity, and I like their speakers, which is why I own them.
By way of contrast, I'm not very fond of the frequently uninformed attacks that people make on these newsgroups, whether directed at Magnepan or Stereophile or anyone else. I think such attacks are dispiriting for those who are their targets and harm good people.
There are too many companies that don't care about their customers, employees, or business ethics. They're the ones who deserve to be attacked, and I reserve my criticism for them.
These attacks on Magnepan are real!
Wendell and Mark Winey have made several BIG missteps that you fail to acknowledge!
And DUDE I am a real EE from top ten university, and Design Assurance Engineer in the medical industry, and have owned Magnepans since 1976!
You are a BLOW HARD!
What you are is a guy with questionable grammar, erratic spelling, and a predilection for name-calling, baseless accusation, unfounded generalizations, and that ever-reliable indicator of a weak position, ad hominem argument.
As for Wendell and Mark's missteps, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've seen nothing but penny ante stuff -- forgetting to mention a center channel speaker in a few demos, saying something that pissed off a member of the press. If that's what you're referring to, I'm not sure why you say I failed to acknowledge them, given that I've been discussing them for the last two days. Or do you mean that I didn't start inventing paranoid theories about what happened and calling for everyone to be drawn and quartered?
Meanwhile, Magnepan has had a string of successful product introductions, weathered a very difficult economic climate and the challenges that face high end audio without sacrificing its identity as a company that sells high end gear at prices the middle class can afford, and, most recently, introduced a new compact model that won raves. To me a major misstep would be a product introduction that no one likes, or a failed business strategy.
Do I agree with everything they do? No. But look up the Dunning–Kruger effect. I've worked all my life in pro audio and video and had for a time a company that manufactured pro audio equipment, so I know something of the challenges businesses face. But, paradoxically, one of the consequences of that knowledge is that I know how little I know about the their business. I've had the good fortune to get to know some of the people at Magnepan, to get a sense of who they are, warts and all, and of some of the challenges they face and some of the strategies they've tried. But I don't have the lore that one acquires after working for at a company, sometimes for decades. So while like many here I make suggestions and try to convince them to do this or that, I don't believe that I know enough about their business to know better than they do how to run it.
I do not like the way Magnepan is currently run! It is an insult to many, in all the internet forums.The old timers that have known Magnepan for decades are stunned!
The "missteps" with the 3.7i upgrade and launch (no official comment on what was improved), Wendell's public insult to JA, hidden center channel speaker demos, and bogus reasons for no Stereophile review sample, are all insults to Magnepan customers.
Under Jim Winey none of this would has occurred!
You defend all of this, over and over!
You are out of step with the bulk of Magnepan users
The people on the planar forum are a tiny, tiny group Vs the 400,000 Magnepan owners. They buy used Magnepan speakers to modify, and do not like the stock ones. How many happy users even visit the audio forums? Not 400,000!
Edits: 06/07/14
What I try to do is defend them against uninformed attacks of the kind that so often occur on the Internet and then gain currency merely by virtue of having been stated. And I was doing this long before I knew anyone at the company.
When people claim that Magenpan won't submit its products for review by Stereophile because the speakers don't measure well, and I know that Stereophile's measurements misrepresent the performance of the speaker because the quasi-anechoic measurement technique they use is inappropriate for the measurement of large planars, should I not point that out?
When people accuse Magnepan of hiding a center channel speaker despite the fact that they mentioned the center channel speaker at almost every showing, should I not point that out?
Some forum members run at this stuff swinging their axes like Hagar the Horrible. Minor slip-ups like being tired and pressed for time and forgetting to mention the center channel speaker at a few demos are transformed into evil conspiracies.
This is not the same as agreeing with everything the company does. For example, Steve Ford and I have nagged Wendell to death over his refusal to disclose basic technical details, as in the 3.7i upgrade. But even there, I'm aware that we're speaking from the perspective of people who don't know whether a spec can be mentioned without disclosing trade secrets.
For example, the 1.7 uses a novel series crossover with a .5-way supertweeter strip and I can see why they wouldn't want to talk about that -- it's clever and it doesn't have patent protection. But we didn't know that until Peter Gunn opened one up and made a schematic of the crossover. So if we had criticized Magnepan for refusing to disclose more crossover information, would that have been fair?
Let me quote part of an email I received yesterday from Wendell, touching on the center channel business:
"Something as simple as the desire to have a clean backdrop for viewing the two competing cosmetic designs has not occurred to anyone. Rather there are sinister reasons given."
I think that pretty much says it all.
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LOL. This post of yours reminds me of that old suggestion about what the US should do about the war in Vietnam: declare a victory and leave.
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