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In Reply to: RE: Was always curious about the price paid for Fremer's TT posted by barryb on May 01, 2014 at 19:08:21
50k is still an insane amount of money for a component,
And it is more than Valin, Harley, and Pearson have spent in a lifetime.
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> > And it is more than Valin, Harley, and Pearson have spent in a lifetime.
That's quite a statement. Got anything to back it up?
There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
—Leonard Cohen
See mr. Atkinson's reply.
I don't really know about the past, but as a long time reader of TAS I've noticed over the last few years the significant turnover of very expensive equipment in both Robert Harley's and J. Valin's systems.
They refer to their constantly changing reference systems in their reviews but I've never read any indication that any of it was personally owned by them. They have referred to long term loans etc. but I can't remember any other indications. Perhaps I've missed something.
Whether this is a good idea ( except for themselves ) in another question.
They have both gone on record in print and in person that they in fact do NOT own ANY of the gear listed in their reference systems.
> > They have both gone on record in print and in person that they in fact
do NOT own ANY of the gear listed in their reference systems.
Even if that is true, that doesn't mean they haven't spent anything on
their systems over time. And, regardless of Atkinson's response, yours
doesn't begin to address your original claim, which was "And it [$50,000]
is more than Valin, Harley, and Pearson have spent in a lifetime."
Your words, "... in a lifetime."
Back to Fremer, you may want to check out this post from Atkinson:
Posted by John Atkinson (R) on November 20, 2011 at 14:39:40
In Reply to: RE: "It costs $4200.00. If that's your idea of 'expensive',
well,.... posted by DanS on November 20, 2011 at 14:16:48:
> Would be interesting to know if Mr. Fremer actually pays for his audio
> equipment components.
Other than cables, Michael Fremer has purchased all the components that
comprise his long-term reference system, including the Music Reference
amplifier that triggered this thread.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
—Leonard Cohen
> > over the last few years the significant turnover of very expensive equipment in both Robert Harley's and J. Valin's systems.
I don't dispute that dynamic, at TAS or elsewhere. My issue is with ST's
constant over-generalizations stated as facts .
For example:
ST: "[$50,000] is more than Valin, Harley, and Pearson have spent in a lifetime."
and
ST: "... 99.99999999 % of all the digital music anyone will ever own is in PCM ..."
For someone who is quick to jump on others' assertions, it seems ST is
okay with going overboard with his. It gets tiresome to slog through his
bombast and hyperbole.
There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
—Leonard Cohen
I agree with that. I would never do it unless I was very wealthy. It's up to the individual to make their own value judgement, however. If Fremer paid $50k of his own money for a TT, I think that is kind of awesome -- it shows true devotion to his love of analog.
I was curious, not to make a judgement or have a gripe that he got such a deal, but simply curious.
Understood. Actually I did not think you were judging.
Agree putting skin in the game adds much to credibility, as opposed to "loans".
How about a dose of reality thinking: You've got to have the discretionary money to spend it, whether its 50k or 100k, regardless of your 'love' for analog.
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