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In Reply to: RE: The Reality of Reviewers posted by Pat D on April 17, 2014 at 18:53:32
"I plugged in, pushed the power button in, and it made noise."
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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I have no idea why you think I don't audition equipment.
In any case, your scenario of "I plugged in, pushed the power button in, and it made noise" is about what I expect from my system. Maybe you like to listen to your system, but I want to listen to recordings (or sometimes the radio).
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Almost everything is subjective, except turning it on: does it come on and make sound?""I have no idea why you think that I don't audition equipment"
Because you make subjective judgments that assert that everything sounds the same on the basis of extremely limited experiences. Our subjective experiences, and the subjective designs, and subjective construction, and subjective reviews, are all that is.....
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Edits: 04/20/14
When I listen to recordings I have made using just two microphones - of performers I really enjoy - and for good reason - still getting their work. Despite the severe shortfall between then and at home.
Takes me back to the concert and how it felt.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Nonsense. I have never said "everything sounds the same" and do not agree with it.
"Our subjective experiences, and the subjective designs, and subjective construction, and subjective reviews, are all that is..... "
Do try to make some sense. What is the meaning of "subjective" in that sentence? Subjective as opposed to what? What kind of experience is not subjective?
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
List ten speakers that Art Dudley has owned that you've auditioned and disliked? How about 2?
These 2 factors are sufficient for him to substitute for actual experience:
- a graph at the end of review;
- the name of the reviewer.
At least it's economical, I'll give him that.
I just love it when guys like you are so incensed they cannot refute me and so you just make up some opinions and attribute them to me.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Your history of non-positions ("Let me tell you what I don't think") is well known.
Null results guide your way and you await *proof* that differences other than the obvious ones exist in virtually every component.
As Honda dealers used to say, "this car sells itself".
"I plugged in, pushed the power button in, and it made noise."
Boring would be the ideal, were it possible: "I plugged in, pushed the power button in, and it made beautiful music." Not good for the business of equipment manufactures and dealers, but good for the business of musicians and record labels. The magic should lie in the music, not the process of reproduction.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
:-)!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Maybe someday, perhaps in my lifetime, engineers will develop metrics that actually correlate to what we hear.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Sorry, but I'm not understanding your point.
For me, listening to music is the ultimate way to keep my mind busy. Complexity and subtlety in music are key elements to my enjoyment. It is the very focus on the music that gives me pleasure and brings out the emotional tie.
Sometimes I just play back music in my head in solitude. I have a game where I play back selections by walking through the alphabet. And that can as easily bring tears to my eyes with some content as hearing it with my ears.
Maybe I'm just weird... :)
If you reach the point where my late wife was (and maybe you already have) you won't need a musical instrument and certainly not a stereo. You will hear everything in your head. Personally, the only time I achieved this was hearing about 30 seconds of the start of a Mahler symphony in a dream. As good as hearing it live, but then I work up. Unfortunately, I didn't figure out who was conducting. :-)
I don't believe we will ever get to the point where we can measure everything that people hear by measuring audio components, since people hear with all their senses and also their mind. An identical pattern of sound waves can be perceived differently depending on context. I believe all careful listeners appreciate this, but unfortunately not all audiophiles are careful listeners.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
... Pat D.
Which, of course, is the ultimate goal of every self-respecting audiophile.
It's BOTH, but can vary in percentages of both for various people.
As formulated by you, it doesn't have much to do with "audiophile".
"The magic should lie in the music, not the process of reproduction."
How did you get a copy of my July column already? :-)
"How did you get a copy of my July column already? :-)"
Channeling. :-)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Tony, you stop talking crazy now. :)
Exactly.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
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