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In Reply to: RE: Tone Audio - Musical Fidelity V-90 DAC Review posted by standingstones on March 20, 2014 at 11:19:55
I have read quite a number of negative reviews of this dac. I will be the first to say I haven't used or heard it. I imagine close to 100% of the negative comments haven't either. What I object to is armchair reviewers who hate Musical Fidelity because Stereophile (Sam Tellig) keeps reviewing their audio gear. Unless some reviewer says this is a 'giant killer' the complainers will keep grousing. Besides, as John Atkinson stated, if you don't like the magazine, then don't subscribe to it. You won't hurt his feelings.
Follow Ups:
Hate, toward MF? No, what I've read are indications of fatigue stemming from Stereophile's seeming fixation on the reviewing of MF gear, which is a different thing. JA himself stated that MF are gaming the reviewing system at Stereophile. Of course, he leaves out that it takes two to tango. As far as your suggestion that we not subscribe if unsatisfied, in addition to missing the legitimacy and positive value of customer feedback, it betrays the sort of negative feeling you accuse others of holding.
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Ken Newton
Edits: 03/20/14 03/20/14 03/20/14
> JA himself stated that MF are gaming the reviewing system at Stereophile.
> Of course, he leaves out that it takes two to tango.
No I didn't leave out anything. I explained that it was hardly fair to ask
Sam Tellig to forgo his income for a month rather than substitute the
Musical Fidelity component he had on hand given the non-arrival of a
product from another manufacturer that had been promised but delayed.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
"No I didn't leave out anything. I explained that it was hardly fair to ask Sam Tellig to forgo his income for a month rather than substitute the Musical Fidelity component he had on hand given the non-arrival of a product from another manufacturer that had been promised but delayed."
In this month's column (April 2014) Sam Tellig wrote up these products:
Musical Fidelity V90-LPS phono preamplifier
Musical Fidelity V90-DAC
Musical Fidelity V90-HPA headphone amplifier
Musical Fidelity V90-BLU Bluetooth Receiver
Musical Fidelity MF-100 on-ear headphones
All of these pieces at once because "he had (it) on hand" when another product failed to arrive? Sounds more like Sam didn't have his column ready by deadline so Atkinson allowed him to "phone it in" by utilizing filler material that he probably had sitting around (courtesy of Antony Michaelson) just waiting for the opportunity to get into the pages of the magazine. What a bunch of crap!
Now lets discuss how the V90-DAC winds up with a bogus A+ rating in your Recommended Components feature when Sam gives it an A rating in his column and no other reviewers have even heard it. What's with this "provisional" A+ rating? This component should have received a K rating. Did someone make a mistake when editing the Recommended Components feature or is this some kind of payoff to Antony Michaelson for keeping an unrequested reserve stash of components at your beck and call?
What do you say to this, Atkinson? Wait - let me guess - it'll probably be a mealy-mouthed response, something like "stop reading it if you don't like it".
Hey Atkinson - the next time you try pissing on your readers shoes don't have the temerity to tell them that it's only raining.
Al
> Now lets discuss how the V90-DAC winds up with a bogus A+ rating in your
> Recommended Components feature when Sam gives it an A rating in his
> column and no other reviewers have even heard it.Nothing bogus about it. The A+ was Sam's recommendation in the email he
wrote in response to my request for input on ratings when I compiled the
listing. Although my eyebrows were understandably raised, I had not yet
auditioned or measured the product so I paid his judgement the respect it
deserved. The definitive rating will be decided upon in the October issue.
And as might perhaps seem obvious, as you haven't heard this product, your
opinion on its sound quality is worthless.> What's with this "provisional" A+ rating? This component should have
> received a K rating.No, because it _had_ been reviewed. Stereophile has always included in the
listing products that are reviewed in the same issue as "Recommended
Components" with a "See Joe Blow's review in this issue" note.> is this some kind of payoff to Antony Michaelson for keeping an
> unrequested reserve stash of components at your beck and call?Forgive me for taking your questions seriously.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 03/20/14
.......for taking all of your responses seriously.
"And as might perhaps seem obvious, as you haven't heard this product, your opinion on this product on its sound quality is worthless."
Since I never rendered an opinion as to its SOUND QUALITY your response is less than worthless, it's totally knee-jerk. I questioned its A+ rating and how it was earned. ST rated it as class A in his printed column, and now you claim that he rated as class A+ "in the e-mail he wrote". Wouldn't some discretion on your part (as the Editor) have been the intelligent way to handle this situation?
I'll not bother to post an opinion about the magazine or its "Fearless Leader" again. I'll take your advice and stop reading Stereophile. To me, both Stereophile and John Atkinson no longer exist.
A former fan,
Al
Your postings have been clear. JA is playing an intellectual shell game, the effect of which is to wear you down by changing the terms of discussion. The recommendation process has been fatally tainted and your question yields self serving responses. You are right: time to 'clear the field'.
JA,
I'm sure you have thought about this. Can you say why you have rejected this idea?
Regards,
Geoff
> Can you say why you have rejected this idea?
Other than some cables and miscellaneous accessories, _every_ product included
in Stereophile's "Recommended Components" is there because it has been
reviewed in the magazine.Now if you are saying that the only products that should be included should
be those that have been subject to a full review, including measurements,
then by definition you are condemning all listening-only reviews, not
just in Stereophile but in _all_ publications/websites. Why then do you feel
that Stereophile's recommendations should be held to a more demanding
standard than those everywhere else (other than Soundstage and HiFi News)?
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 03/21/14
John - After having read about the V-DACII in a prior RC (please see link below) I have begrudgingly changed my mind (altered my thinking?) on this matter. I know you have been on the edge of your seat waiting for this proclamation.
In again reading Sam's "review," he says the V90 is superior to the V-DACII - which was previously in Class B. This would mean the V90 is a candidate for Class A or, heaven forbid, A+.
As I have previously posted, I look forward to your assessment. I hope it is A or even A+. For $299 and possible tinkering with the Wall Wart, this could be fun.
You did the right thing. I trust Sam Tellig's ears over just about any one. And certainly over any of the know nothings on this board who comment on things they have not even heard.
Virtually every product he has reviewed and I subsequently heard sounded exactly as he described. That goes for electronics and speakers.
Time to run you guys up in front of Issa and company on Capital Hill!
Sam is far too cheerful to not be chemically enhanced.
;D
We can then start a pool predicting the date Stereophile goes belly-up like virtually every other print audio magazine.
-Wendell
the most successful businesses talk and listen to their consumers.
Those technology or service push organisations harp back to the post war business model and they may not last.
The fatal flaw is your thinking you speak for all of us.
-Wendell
It's not my thinking but the acknowledged modus operandi of many successful businesses.
> We can then start a pool predicting the date Stereophile goes belly-up
> like virtually every other print audio magazine.
Ain't _that_ the truth! :-)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Ain't _that_ the truth! :-)
When I was learning to ski, a husband and wife team gave me free lessons. I recall my last free lesson, where we were skiing on a slightly moguled black trail. The husband was to my left and grabbed my left arm. The wife was to my right and grabbed my right arm. They simultaneously said, "Follow me!" The husband headed to the left while the wife headed to the right...
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
You're not seriously blaming Stereophile's seemingly incessant reviewing of MF products completely on MF, are you?
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Ken Newton
Edits: 03/20/14
If you suggest that I have negative feelings about people who whine about a product they would never consider buying, I stand accused.
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