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In Reply to: RE: Art Dudley, thank you for "Skin Deep" ... posted by slovell1 on August 04, 2012 at 08:28:40
I wrote that the Mini is affordable (and small) when compared to the other speakers in the Oswalds Mill Audio line.
If you have a point, kindly make it without twisting my words.
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...the best value, or most affordable in their line?
Only the "best value" comment would require some sort of assessment. But some people get discombulated about a "good value" comment as well.
Seems like we may be arguing about one little word...
The context in which these words appear IS important.
I do think we have to protect against a groupthink/herd mentality with regard to the relentless uptick in the cost of serious audio. Only in relation to inflation can we decide if this price creep is "legit" or (in part) an attempt to make money by selling more expensive gear to a shrinking audiophile community to sustain revenues.
Steve
You know what bullshit is?
Writing a great piece like you did...after recommending a
$27,000 flea watt amp from Audio Note, and a $20,000 flea watt
mono block from Allnic. Now THAT is bullshit.
I did not twist your words in any way. Comparatively, or not, you still wrote $18,000 for a pair of speakers as being affordable. Affordable as compared to what? Their other megabuck speakers in their line? Because their other products cost much more it justifies $18,000 being called affordable. I've read the whole article, I'm reading it right now and the print hasn't changed. If it smells like bullshit, feels like bullshit, and reads like bullshit, most likely it is bullshit.
Whatever, Sam
...then the Bellari VP-530, which at $399 is the most expensive phono preamp they make, is unaffordable.
Paraphrasing what you said ...
Unaffordable as compared to what? The other inexpensive phono preamps in their line? Because their other products cost much less it justifies $399 being called unaffordable?
My answer would be no.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
.....we need to remember that nothing means anything w/o a point of reference. 18K is affordable to some, just not me.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
...a phono preamp? How many read Stereophile? How many are forum members?
.....we need to remember that nothing means anything w/o a point of reference.
I think the point of reference is assumed. Naturally, I was speaking within the context of the forum member/audiophile community and admittedly did not think about the homeless person who would rather buy a meal than a record.
Should we include the point of view of the homeless in all of our discussions of audio pricing?
I think we've gotten off track.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
What I am saying is that "affordable" is a subjective term. You must qualify "affordable to most people" instead of using it generically. Most of us would qualify 5K speakers as affordable. But I bet most of your "other" friends would say that is ludicrous.
Actually my post was more directed at slovell1 than you.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I agree with you Ozzy. $5K for speakers is somewhat within reach and semi-affordable for me, but people I work with would consider that price for a pair of speakers insane. Of course, they wouldn't consider $25K+ for a bass boat with motor or $50K+ for an RV as being overpriced and unaffordable. I agree with Mr. Dudley's "As We See It" piece completely, it was just that the later speaker review struck me as being a bit odd vs the previous piece. If Mr.Dudley is offended by that then so be it. If other posters considered me to be rude I can live with that also.
While I think affordable is the wrong word I have no problem understanding it in context. You don't have to agree with him and you don't have to like his column or even read it if it gets you so agitated. Personally I don't always agree with him but I do enjoy reading his column.
I do have a problem with your rudeness, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a reviewer or an inmate but it isn't necessary to insult them. Art is one of the best audio writers out there. He has a talent for words and style, something I can't say for many who write about audio where purple passion substitues for facts. He also seems like a genuinely nice guy.
When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey
Over the years Harry Pearson and Art Dudly have been my two favorite audio writers. Also Ken Kessler. I feel these gentlemen are not only reviewers but educators in what to listen for in audio reproduction. I still miss Listener magazine
Alan
I think there are many here that should read your entire articles, reviews etc, and if need be read them again !
Stay the coarse Arty.
And yet, IMO Art Dudley owns two of the most overpriced brands of audio components: Shindo and Audio Note. You can get better sound from components costing 1/3 to 1/4 the price. There is NOTHING in the Shindo or Audio Note gear to justify the price. Compare the $15,000 Audio Note E to the $15,000 Teresonic speaker. The Teresonic not only sound far more realistic, but is a work of art. Shindo is an even worse value than Audio Note.
I've been lucky enough to belong to a great audio club for the past few years. I've got to hear allot of different equipment, met some great guys and girl, and by making these acquaintances saved a bunch of money. Although Shindo gear isn't my cup of tea, the two system's I've heard, that members own, sound quite good, and in my opinion there mid priced gear would be hard to beat at there level. All that hear the Shindo stuff seem to agree on it's value.
Have you ever listened to Shindo gear?Yes,it's expensive.I recently upgraded from the Aurieges linestage to the Monbrison preamp and the gentleman I sold the Aurieges to called to tell me that it was the best change he's ever made in his system (which includes Wavac and Audio-Note of Japan gear).He also mentioned that he took it to a musician friends to compare to a new 8K Cary preamp and they both greatly preferred the relatively inexpensive Aurieges to the Cary
Yes, I have heard the horribly overpriced Shindo equipment. Have you heard the Mystere or Prima Luna preamps? I would LOVE to do a blind test of those units to the Shindo preamps.
I have not heard the Mystere or Prima Luna preamps.I did own a Prologue- 2 integrated that I purchased new and found it beautifully built but very average sounding even with upgraded tubes.I would like to hear their current stuff but I doubt I'd prefer it to the Shindo.Ken Shindo has been building and refining his gear for many years.
When comparing a component from a famous audio manufacturer that costs 6 times the price of an "ordinary" one, blind listening test are as necessary as when rating an extremely expensive red Burgundy to a California pinot noir costing 1/6th of the price. Rated sighted, 95%+ will rate both the expensive component and the costly wine over the "lessor" one. Rated blind, the order of preference is often reversed. Both for wines, and for audio components. Blind tests will quickly teach you humility.
Where has Dudly been the last 10 years,,These crazy prices have been around for quite some time,,,Maybe he is pushing for a raise,,,Have a bunny Dudly..
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