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In Reply to: RE: Will magazines ever improve their measurements in the near future? posted by riker1384 on October 31, 2009 at 09:24:06
Measurements are a tough call. I like them. But a comparative analysis between measurements and listener comments shows there is some level of disconnect. Some moderately measuring items get good reviews.
Not being an electronics wizard, I still sometimes have to sit and think "does this mean this is good or it is bad?" For measurements to get better in a magazine format, they have to get better at relaying compartive info for the non-tech. Keyword is comparative. Then the question becomes: how far do we lower the bar?
I am not sure where this would go on the eletronics side, but on the speaker side, there are similarly measuring speakers that sound very different. One of my first projects was a kit that offered "ruler flat MLS". I measured the result and that is what it had. Amazing! It also had perfectly normal imp curve. Yet the speakers never engaged me and I found myself prefering a number of other speakers I had laying around the house. Now that I am almost a decade behind these, I think the issue was lack of dynamics or too much compression. Yet in measurement blocks like the ones in many magazines, these would have looked great.
As technology improves, a lot of speakers are measuring better. How do we improve the compartive analysis between the Alpha B1 and the Magico small speaker and the Usher small speaker? On paper these may not measure very differently but in a room, they would be very different. This is why we need the balance between the objective and subjective.
Maybe what we are missing the the comparative subjective chart, which I happen to have been playing with: above. More Blue is better.
P
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All you have made apparent when describing the kit measurements is that there needs to be additional measurements. the ones you mention are all static and overlook dynamics.
Nt
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I've noticed a lot of people like "big" sound. I have a friend who is selling Wilson Watt/Puppy 7 to go with Jamo R 909 because the latter has ... yeah you guessed it.I'm practically in mourning as I adore the Wilsons and thus far have major misgivings with the Jamo's; I heard then over an evening but with APL digital player (too aggresive for my taste) and NuForce amplifiers (hate em').
Everything matters, don't forget to tweak your placebos!
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I can't help but agree with your general conclusions; I am just interested in what you hear as "big".
"Live free or die"
Well a sort of all enveloping effect, sound all around you sort of thing, especially the bass which is sort of everywhere. It gives the sensation of larger scale but at the expense of that sort of panaromic soundstage view with image specifity (a feature of much recorded music)... for example large scale like Wilson MAX II but sloppier, the MAXX II seems to do scale but without loosing the look into soundstage effect; but even the MAXX II seems less acurate or controlled compared to WATT/Puppy 7 it seems to me.Most omnidirectional systems I've heard seem to cast the big sound effect I might add.
I suppose I would say in general big sound emulates live PA/sound systems, good ones.
Everything matters, don't forget to tweak your placebos!
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By the way, the BC Penny, which is omni-directional does not have the bass-emphasis you mention. If you ever run across a small danish 2-way omni-directional monitor, called the Namia (or something like that) made by Kibri, give it a listen. With a little power, it's lovely.
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