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In Reply to: RE: Mikey-Beatle Box Analysis posted by Spendor Harbeth on October 26, 2009 at 14:42:44
Do I realy have to purchase more beatles music again?? Got it on LP on CD. Do I realy need more of it? Heck my kids got beatles music on VG now. If they rererelease again will I need to buy yet more of the same? Kind of like starwars movies to me how many times do they expect us to buy the same music movie over again but now its some how better? Sure but is it ever worth buying if you have it on CD LP already? I dont think so at least for me. Why not some great new music, why not some new ideas for movies? Why all remakes remasters rereleases? I know for cash not art. Has the industry lost its ability to do so? Creat art instead of products.
It's not called the music industry by mistake.
For most business executives, marketing more saleable product IS the art!
Units.
“ Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination. ” -Michael McClure
were regurgitation is the order of the day
There are no more humans
Finally, robotic beings rule the world
The humans are dead
Pretty much. Just another way to torque ageing boomers out of their money. It is an industry that is on its death-bed but rather than change and adapt they continue to pump out the same old stuff.
Don't get me wrong I am a HUGE Beatles fan. I have absolutely no interest in these 'new' releases. I already have 500+ vinyl versions on the shelf. I would much rather spend my money on truely 'new' music than visit the same stuff over-and-over again.
IMO the only interesting Beatle's product that has come out in the past 30-40 years is 'Live At The BBC', killer album, and perhaps 'LOVE'. The Anthology series was interesting, but basically a one-time listen and back to the shelf. The re-release of 'Yellow Submarine' was also somewhat interesting since we got a real re-mix of these songs.
For this Beatles fanatic the new releases = yawn. But the conversations regarding these latest versions has been a blast! That has been the only interesting thing for me and has confirmed my decision to pass on this latest set of releases.
Now if you don't already own the Beatles the latest releases are great. Why were they only released on RBCD? Why not SACD? Or better yet hi-rez downloads? Or true analogue on LP? This entire project could have been done much better, but why bother? They appear to be selling as-is.
They will be available in hi-rez downloads.
They will never be available on SACD as that is a dead format, the only slight possibility is if MOFI were able to get a license. But that's unlikely.
The analog vinyl is easily available and there is little need for that.
Remastered vinyl will be released.
Nice to hear about the hi-rez downloads. But why not immediately? These had to wait, of course, so the die-hards that have to have it now would go out and buy the physical media.
I will take exception regarding the vinyl. These latest remasters are claimed to be better than previous efforts. Modern mastering techniques, tastes, etc. So why not on vinyl? Available vinyl is old, and old-fashioned in its approach. At least that is part of the logic for all of this. And for the younger crowd, the masses, the 87 releases are just fine.
I am guessing the remastered vinyl releases will come from the new digital masters. Kind of waste IMO. Might as well buy the CDs. Just another attempt to milk more money, unless of course they actually use analogue master tapes. But they won't, they can't really since all of this was in the digital format.
No I am afraid this entire project was based more on money than on giving us the definative versions of the Beatles catalogue. The two box sets is proof enough. Mono and stereo? Please! Could have just issued one box with both versions. I guess they did with the mono box, sort of.
Corporate greed + the neeed for the Beatles great-great-great-great-great grandchildren will be set for life = new Beatles! Yeah! I not buying any of it.
Of course I might just be a cynic. I have not actually heard any of the new releases. Perhaps they would blow my mind! Based on everything I have read I doubt it.
George Martin said it best: 'The people who sit there and listen to the tinkle of a cymbal and say "Isn't that authentic" are missing the point---they really are.' (Stereophile interview Vol. 18 #7) And as far as I can see that is what all this is about. This stuff has been availabe for generations and the sound quality in general has been pretty good. The music has certainly been great for generations, new remasters or not. The recordings were never SOTA to begin with, never will be no matter how much tweaking is done. Just another way to milk the catlogue and it appears to be working.
"I will take exception regarding the vinyl. These latest remasters are claimed to be better than previous efforts. Modern mastering techniques, tastes, etc. So why not on vinyl? Available vinyl is old, and old-fashioned in its approach. At least that is part of the logic for all of this. And for the younger crowd, the masses, the 87 releases are just fine."
If they did that, the old guys at the Huffman board would go nuts complaining that they don'tt sound like the originals!
No arguement there. Far too many agendas on that site. Don't go there too much. I don't believe that originals are always better. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. Hoffman has certainly had his share of barking dogs. I've got a few of his stinkers!
Certainly there were limitations placed on the work done in the 60s based on the available technology in the studio, mastering labs and home playback that limited the possibility for these records. Some of this cannot be overcome no matter what is done short of going back to the original work parts and starting from scratch something that will never happen.
Perhaps the new digital masters are better. Dramatically better? Not from what I have read. Seems more like just a difference in tastes versus the 60s. More bass, more compression, etc. At the end of the day we are still listening to the same basic master that we have always had. I think I will stick with original Parlaphones and Hor-Zu.
Seems like the only thing the new releases demonstrate is how much better digital mastering has gotten in the last 20 years. But I think we already knew this.
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