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In Reply to: RE: I took it. Thanks to your post, I actually went out and bought a newstand copy posted by regmac on January 30, 2008 at 16:33:39
I think I get it.
There is a subtext in the Fremer piece (and in Art Dudley's lament in his column in the same issue, which is otherwise irrelevant to my post here) that you found off-putting, but didn't mention. The reason I know that, is that I found it off-putting, too; and your politics and mine aren't that far apart.
The subtext is the political one -- the use of the term "swift-boating." And the reason that I found it off-putting was that, assuming, arguendo the truth of the Democrats' original gripe (that is that the "swift boat veterans for truth" was a completely baseless attack on Sen. Kerry's "war hero" status) the metaphor is inapt in the context in which Fremer uses it. These two guys are not "attacking" high-end audio (which is your point).
They're just not supporting sound quality -- and they ought to be. Just as an oenophile would probably be horrified if a noted wine critic drank his vintage out of paper or styrofoam cups, Fremer finds that idea that classical music critics are saying lossy compressed digital audio is "good enough" to be reprehensibe. But the reason these music critics ought to be supporting better sound quality is not simply that they should support conoisseurship in a related field (a contestable proposition), but that the world's best music -- music that people have found worthy of their time and attention for generations -- suffers the most from crappy reproduction. There is a qualitative difference between hearing a symphony live in a good hall and hearing it reproduced on an MP3 in a "personal stereo" that does not exist between hearing a rock concert live and reproduced the same way. Sure, the live rock concert is deafeningly, viscerally loud; but it's not qualitatively different than the way it sounds on an MP3. A characteristic of orchestral classical music is its scale, which is part of its attractiveness. That the scale is diminished in any reproduction is a commonplace; but lossy compressed reproduction through the equivalent of a table radio removes all of the scale of the music.
So, for these music critics -- who make their living off of "serious music" -- to overlook those differences is unfortunate because the first time most people these days encounter serious music is outside the concert hall, in playback of a recording. And what it would be nice for these critics to say is, "If you want to know what the excitement of serious music is; if you want to know why it merits your undivided attention, it helps to have it reasonably well reproduced." Then, a novice whose experience with serious music doesn't "grab him" may at least put it down to poor reproduction and be willing to try "the real thing" (attending a concert) nonetheless.
Now, to my final point. In their own way, the boys at Stereophile are doing the hobby a disservice as well, with their implicit assumption -- reflected in the use of terms like "swift boating" -- that everyone with any sense of taste or potential to appreciate the subtleties of expensive audio is a liberal Democrat (and the converse of that statement, that anyone who isn't a Democrat is a functionally deaf, beer-swilling, boombox-toting philistine). Unless they've got concrete proof of this proposition (based on a population sample that doesn't believe that the country ends at the Hudson River until you reach San Francisco Bay), they're alienating some group of actual or potential supporters of high end audio.
So, ironically, Fremer is as guilty of swift-boating (his term) high-end audio as the two people he writes about in his column; and he's not the only regular writer in S'phile who does so.
"music that people have found worthy of their time and attention for generations -- suffers the most from crappy reproduction."
Absolutely and an astute observation.
...YOUR politics than theirs.From Wikipedia:
"Swiftboating is American political jargon that is used (primarily) as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign."You took that one term and wrote a whole page justifying Regmac's silly rant.
Sorry the term offends your delicate rightish political sensibilities, but it means the same thing to anyone with half a brain, regardless of their politics.
Get real.
In your favor, at least you paid for the magazine.
he first considered the source before stating his case.
Do tell how many reviewers and manufacturers alike from the left coast, east coast (and Boulder for that matter), did not believe the Dan Rather report in that election? Hey, the documents may be forgeries, but we all know that the facts are true. Wink, wink. Until I ever read anything along the lines of "The Z3A speakers sucked big time, much like that of a White House intern" or "It is obvious that the amplifier manufacturer did not do enough spade work prior to releasing the X4Bs," I'll have to believe the intent of the comments were as Bruce outlined.
P.S. Barack has my vote as he has pretty much promised me the world. Who'd you vote for in the primary on Tuesday.
What odds would you give that the author of that wikipedia article is a Republican?
Be careful how you answer, now. Remember that you think all Republicans are cretins!
;=)
(nt)
and they have an inordinate fondness for bananas!
...in the future.
At least the ones of you who believe in evolution...
They'd never go off the straight and narrow, as they see it :-)
Dear Bruce:
We ought to put our act on the road. Herewith a trial balloon. As I’ve said before, Mr. Dudley is a splendid writer, whose politics, while decidedly left of center, do not prevent me from enjoying his columns. (Nor is Stereophile bereft of conservatives.) But why this should matter to folks is beyond me. It’s a safe bet that no one reads Stereophile for its political content. What does Mr. Dudley say that you find so egregious?
Concerning JA&MF: I suspect their fevered columns were an overreaction, born of frustration, that the hobby they’ve given their lives to is not being accorded the recognition and respect they think it deserves. Indifference can be the ultimate insult for passionate types who find themselves in such circumstances.
Yes, there exists a highly insular group that thinks Manhattan and San Francisco represent an accurate U.S. demographic. Bernie Goldberg writes of an encounter he had with an exasperated native of Manhattan’s upper West Side. The poor fellow was lamenting another GOP presidential victory. Turning to Goldberg he asked, “How does this keep happening?! I don’t even know any conservatives!”
Wishing you and yours all the very best.
Mr. Dudley describes his daughter's dress: "a curiously stylized thing made of brown satin, with ruffles down the front, in the manner of Prince's stage outfits or the undergarments worn by certain Congressmen. [italics mine].
On second, thought, I slap myself upside the head for being bitchy. Perhaps because it is such a nice turn of phrase (until the Congressman part), the thing jumped out at me as jarring. I do read Art's column faithfully; and I agree with 99.1% of what he says in this particular column, although I'm not as pessimistic as he is. For example, if you have the jazz classic "Waltz for Debby" which was recorded live in some sort of a club, it's pretty obvious that not everyone there is sitting in respectful silence as the Bill Evans Trio gives what most people acknowledge is a landmark performance. I wonder if any of them subsequently realized that when the recording came out and felt stupid for having been "suave and sophisticated" with their date, their martini and their Chesterfield dripping gray ash as it passed from their lips to the ashtray instead of just focusing on the music. So "pearls before swine" when it comes to live performances is not just today's phenomenon.
As far as not listening to music while doing something else, I don't listen to music in my car either, not that that's too possible, it being a soft-top roadster. Hell, at highway speeds, I can't even use a cellphone with an earpiece and that's with the top and the windows up!
Mike Kuller is giving thumbs down on our act, so we might want to revise our profit projections before taking it on the road.
“Mr. Dudley describes his daughter's dress: "a curiously stylized thing made of brown satin, with ruffles down the front, in the manner of Prince's stage outfits or the undergarments worn by certain Congressmen.”
Yes, but how and the hell did Dudley gain access to Barney Frank's intimate apparel?! Now THAT is a surprise. Perhaps I will subscribe for the "entertainment value." “Brown Satin”? Odd that. Ol’ Barn strikes me as the sort who would be hot for lavender silk. Liberals will insist this serves me right for thinking in stereotypes.
"As far as not listening to music while doing something else, I don't listen to music in my car either, not that that's too possible, it being a soft-top roadster. Hell, at highway speeds, I can't even use a cellphone with an earpiece and that's with the top and the windows up!"
A sales rep. who used to call on me, once remarked that if not for classical music he would have been unable to endure the 40,000 monotonous miles of driving he put in each year. Music was his inoculation against boredom and in that regard it served a utilitarian purpose. I once asked him what sort of gear he listened to at home and was surprised to learn that he did not own a home stereo system. His listening habits were limited to the road.
And there’s my 25-year-old nephew who has traveled thousands of miles attending a dozen or so Dave Matthew’s concerts. He’s also fond of listening to Matthews on his iPod and enjoys watching DVD concerts of the band. What he won’t do is waste (his word) an hour listening to the band while sitting in “the sweet spot.” An informal survey of his friends reveals similar attitudes.
He once told me, with a twinkle in his eye, that upgrading his home “system” seemed more important to me than to him. Audiophiles would do well to remember that musical quality is not the summum bonum for 99.999999 percent of humanity.
"Mike Kuller is giving thumbs down on our act, so we might want to revise our profit projections before taking it on the road."
Aw, shucks, I betcha he’d change his mind if JA gave it a thumbs up.
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