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In Reply to: RE: I took it. Thanks to your post, I actually went out and bought a newstand copy posted by Bruce from DC on January 29, 2008 at 13:17:10
...about MF and JA passing a SBT with cables.
Well, 61% of 39 (that would be 24) appears to be statistically significant. Pity there were no real controls so we don't really know what was happening.
The blind test methodology didn't prevent them from getting a positive result.
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"It pertains to all men to know themselves and to be temperate."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
...PropHead say there's never been a positive blind test with cables, you can refer them here.
That's what Gomes says. So the most that can be said would seem to be that people could tell the difference between two different systems--granted, with the same models of equipment in each except the DUT. But as andy_c pointed out the obvious on rec.audio, the speaker placement couldn't have been the same. As well, what with manufacturing tolerances, the speakers may have been different enough to sound slightly different. So the test establishes absolutely nothing about the different cables.
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"It pertains to all men to know themselves and to be temperate."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
"So when your pals on......PropHead say there's never been a positive blind test with cables, you can refer them here."
I'd refer them to some better run tests--these were speaker cables, you know. The trouble with Gomes' tests is that we don't really know what was happening.
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"It pertains to all men to know themselves and to be temperate."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
The trouble with Gomes' tests is that we don't really know what was happening.
That was my impression as well. My thoughts on what little information Gomes provided are here
I went back and read the article more closely. It's worse than I realized!
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"It pertains to all men to know themselves and to be temperate."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
...it's the never-ending DBT debate from a bunch of idiots whose objectivist opinions are constantly stated as though they're facts.
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"It pertains to all men to know themselves and to be temperate."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
it's the never-ending DBT debate from a bunch of idiots whose objectivist opinions are constantly stated as though they're facts.
The forum in question is rec.audio.opinion, which contains a wide variety of posts from all kinds of people. Certainly there are nutcases on both sides of the issue, and both nutcase sides are well represented there, as well as many positions in between. The original post in that thread, to which I replied, was from John Atkinson. Its subject was the very one you brought up yourself upstream in this thread, and John was the one who brought it up there.
So if you didn't want this particular cable test discussed, you shouldn't have brought it up. It appears to me that it's not the subject itself you wish to avoid (since you brought it up yourself), but views that oppose your own. Not my problem.
If anybody knows any details of the protocol of that test that were left out by Gomes, I'd be interested in hearing more about it - but probably in a separate thread, maybe in a different forum. I remain open-minded about it. As I mentioned in my usenet post, very little information is provided - not enough to reach a conclusion one way or the other.
when you choose to ignore all tests that have positive results. Such is the MO of the objectivists. I have been told by one notorious objectivist that I literally lied about my personal blind tests because I got positive results. DENIAL incarnate.
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