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Hi all,While in the process of trying to finalize the voicing of my system, as I've come to believe that ones IC placed closest to their source component makes or breaks the system ( once again, I'm only speaking on matters as they relate to my system, ears and findings over the course of the last 8 years ), so I'm torn between saying pursuing interconnects ranging from the likes of the Clear Day Cable to WireWorld Silver Eclipse 7, as spending over $1.000 isn't an option.
So I'm sitting here wondering what options are out there brand wise which are worth looking into?, as well as what type of quality am I'm looking for as a bare minimum grade wise? ( 3N - 8N, and so on ) what might you hear as the differences between standard quality OFC Silver Plated Copper or Silver, as compared to say 3-6N OCC Silver Plated Copper or Silver?, or am I reading to much into all of this?.
While I've heard both Shindo Labs and Kondo | Audio Note Japan Silver based ICs in house, and found them both extremely balanced top to bottom, I'm trying my best to find something slightly more affordable that has these qualities, as being overly bright, analytical, or aggressive at the very top isn't what I view as balance.
And while I do intend to sample the WW Silver Eclipse 7 in home, I was merely wondering once again if any of you are aware of any said cables with these sorts of conductors are worth looking into?.
Thanks in advance to those of you willing to assist me on this, as I do see this as being my final venture into fine tuning my system, as I'd much rather get off the merry go round and merely enjoy what's left of life adding to my music collection, as opposed to the never ending pursuit of components as claimed to be the next best thing.........., as this mindset in my opinion doesn't allow for one to enjoy the wares before them, which in most cases if chosen wisely to compliment one another........., can in fact bring one years and years of joy, it's merely a matter of one reaching said point of reality.
Happy upcoming Holiday's to each of you, and once again......., thanks for chiming in.
O_o scar
Edits: 10/27/16Follow Ups:
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I do it all in the name of music!!!
Beautiful pic- wirewizard.
Thanks ;-)
I do it all in the name of music!!!
Over the years I've used a lot of cables the most expensive of which cost $1000. meter. Signal Cable wires bested them all in my decent system(Ayon 07s, Nottingham 294 w/Ortofon Cadenza black, Quicksilver 88 monos, C_J CT 5 pre and Reference 3A Grand Veenas. Not hard to hear differences even for this 78 year old listener with 45 years in the hobby.
Thanks for the offer, but I've converted over to the Audience Loom, with a few extra odd brands of SCs and USB Cables just for the sake of diversity, yet as far as ICs go........, I've found my two main flavors and will be sticking with them.
Beautiful pic- O_oscar.
fantja,
Thanks for the kind words as always. While I'm nit the type whom believes one has to spend and arm and a leg on Hi-Fi, as I much rather invest in our home as well as music collection. I do tend to pursue nicer items around our living space, as it just makes home that much more peaceful in the long run.
Just a follow up on this topic, if you will.I've the Clear Day Cables IC on route this week, as well as a sampling from a polish company called Albedo ( Flat One ):
http://www.stereolifemagazine.com/reviews/item/1005-albedo-flat-one-geo
and will be trying the WW Silver Eclipse 7 at a later date, as it seems that like many, I'm more taken with the overall sonics of pure silver conductors ( especially ones made from either OCC | UP-OCC-A between say 6-8N ).
So lets see where this leads, shall we?.
In the meantime, I'd like to once again thank those of you would were kind enough to provide me with your insight into said topic, because in the end it does come back to logic, as well as synergy and ones listening preferences which matters most, no!.
Edits: 11/06/16
Ahh, still looking. Well I really love the ones that I mentioned but perhaps this one (Aurealis R1 Dragon IC (silver and copper litz)) might interest you...The person posting (rantan) states and reckons... "I regard these cables as the best I have ever heard under a 5 figure price tag."
http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/48099-aurealis-interconnects/?page=5#comment-1736499
http://www.aurealisaudio.com.au/r1-and-r2-interconnects/
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Hello PingPing,
Not so much looking, but actually taking the time to audition them in my system. Thanks for the link, as I did see those several days ago......
Silver-plated copper sounds edgy IMO. Take a look at Cabledyne cables that employ pure silver OCC wire. I own a few of their cables and sonics and build quality are excellent for the price.
TRUFI,
Once question, do you feel there's any importance in selecting said silver ICs, which are graded for purity of say between 3N - 8N?, as well as OCC or UP-OCC-A grade as opposed to just everyday standard AG graded wire?, or am I putting to much into this?.
As I'd once again rather do this one final time, I'm open-minded enough to take into account all variable factors.
Please advise.....
Ohno processed wire comes in 6 and 7 nines purity (7 is way more expensive). UP (ultra-pure) OCC (Ohno Continuous Cast) wire is a trademark. Only three companies make this raw wire; Neotech, Wan Lung, and Furukawa under license. The idea is to make wire that has fewer crystal boundaries. IMO, not enough audible difference between 6 and 7 nines wire but OCC wire sounds much better than 4N commercial and OFC wire.
Z
Here's the full story behind the new Oyaide 102 SSC conductor that has replaced the discontinued Furukawa PCOCC-A conductor.
See link:
To my knowledge Wan Lung and Neotech is the same. Or to be more speciific; Neotech is a registered trademark of Wan Lung. Neotech is the marketing/distribution branch of Wan Lung.
We use UPOCC silver made by Wan Lung in our products, but the order is handled by Neotech. (However, for some reason the invoice comes from BAYLOR DISTRIBUTOR INC., La Mesa, CA, U.S.A. Probably to facilitate payment transactions.)
I made my power cords using Neotech with top of the line Furutech plugs....the best p/c's I've heard.
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Once again........, I thank you for your willingness to share. As with the whole CA thing, this has proven to be very educational.
...just so happens my 2 favorite cables are Clear Day and Wireworld. You have to hear them in your own system to decide for yourself....they are very similar. The difference I hear is an "ease"with Wireworld that is extraordinary...but that's on MY system.
Edits: 10/25/16
Hi SgreenP,
Truth be told........, I had narrowed it down to three, which includes the Cabledyne Vanguard along with these two. And while I do understand the said differences between Silver Plated Copper versus Pure Silver, there's a part of me that's quite taken with the WW USB cables and power cords I do own, so in that sense if nothing else I'll borrow a pair of said Silvef Ecplise 7 ICs from the Cable Company next week, as I must add I'm a true proponent of mostly anything which consist of some form of OCC | UP-OCC-A conductors.
So it shouldn't hear to sample these alongside one another........., as a Clear Day Cable IC should be arriving around the same time, so I'm looking forward to finding out my own " truth " on said differences as well.
Can highly recommend the Clear Day.Probably should audition the speaker cable at the same time.The IC is slightly "soft" in the top-end,but retains its' musicality.Very solid performer everywhere else.The SC is slightly" dark" up-top.Maybe the Berylium copper connectors.
On the used IC market,check out the entry High Fidelity CT-1.These cables tend to give a good slice of everything-very balanced in SQ.
As an alternative to the Clear Day SC,you might contact Keith at kallenscath@gmail.com.He has sourced a military surplus wire that is stunning.It is a stranded copper cable that is silver-plated.Very neutral and extended without sounding so.He was offering auditions.Get it w/o the extra jacketing.The cable is white colored and should be shot-gunned,similar to the Clear Day DBL-SG.Have him mark directionality.Run toward speaker on"+" and toward amp on the "-" return.
Around $400 for 8' pair of shotguns.
Happy hunting.
Tom:cat
Good morning Tidycat1,
I'd like to thank you for chiming in as well, as it appears that many of you've in fact reassured me of the fact that said Clear Day Audio ICs have to be heard in home ( while my pair is due in a couple of weeks ) having owned Paul's wonderful LS Cables in the past, but regretfully sold them, as I didn't think they'd work with the solid state Integrated's I had at the time, yet worked wonderfully with my two tube Integrated's.
As far as the High-Fidelity line goes........, I've yet to see any of them which I'd call reasonably priced, so tend to only watch cables within my means, yet would like to thank you along with the others for making said recommendations on my behalf.
Yet, might I ask if this Keith guy has a site or link that you'd provide?, as I'd love to check his wares out, if you don't mind sharing that is?, if nothing else you can merely send it to me via PM, any and all options are welcomed, provided they're within my budget under said $1.000 price range.
Thanks again.....
Hi TRUFI,
As per our discussion earlier on in the year, I did pick up one of the Cabledyne Reference USB cables and absolutely love it, yet have gotten a report from a friends whom ears I trust whom borrowed a pair of their ICs, yet stated he wasn't very taken with them.
But in some sense I've come to realize that many while hearing in similar ways, at times listen for different things, as I tend to gauge how any given component moves me emotionally, whereas I'm listening more into the notes themselves as opposed to every little attribute like a components top end, or bass weight and so on, and while these things are important in how a system is able to reproduce the balancing act of ones system as heard in their own space, there are again times where what I crave, another does not.
With that being said........., the Cabledyne Vanguard ICs, are definitely still something I'd like to sample in my own mind.
Thanks again for the lead months ago, as I haven't forgotten this brand, and likely never shall.
Its all about synergy and personal impressions. I recently compared the Cabledyne Reference to the Vanguard interconnects and the RCA Vanguards are clearly better (smoother and better stage). Low mass Furutech RCAs are used instead of the silver Xhadow plugs used in the Reference. Also the wire and geometry is different. Ed Bowman (Cabledyne) said it was time to upgrade the Reference line after 4 years and it appears that the Vanguard is a success. When I get the bucks I may opt for their Virtuoso signature cables.
Thanks again.
I'm more then willing to give them a try before making my final decision before years end, as I've narrowed it down to three brands and shall invest accordingly........., as I once again, don't wish to go through this in less then another 4-7 years down the road, as I'm not the sort whom changes things in my system just because and tend to do things long term.
In the end, this urge too shall pass.
Sounds like you have everything worked out...
It doesn't take long to get a feel for ones options, as it merely comes down to what one wishes to spend?, and since my budget is $800 max, it then becomes a matter of looking into what reputable cable companies offer?, as I'm beyond the DIY types of cable makers, and actually would prefer something more polished in the end.
Thanks again for chiming in.
Be well PingPing.
Have a look at the KLEI gZero ICs, definitely worth considering... gZero1 , gZero2/3 , gZero2/3
Hello PingPing,
I spotted your post on them awhile back, but never really looked to see if they were anything other then copper based ICs?, which I can't use at the moment, hence the inquiry on brands which offer silver plating, or pure silver conductors.
Actually, don't know the material but definitely worth considering...
Yes........., I was looking at them last night, and much like the company Tellirium Q, it would seem they're trying to keep their conductors used within their lines a secret:
http://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/essence-gzero-ic/klei-essence-gzero2-ic/
These sort of tell tale signs, in my mind aren't welcomed. I mean what's so secrets about being forthcoming about what's what metal wise?, most cabling are in fact bought from somewhere else as it stands and merely relabeled and dressed up.
O_oh well, the quest continues........
As a cable guy- I would not skimp-out nor cut corners regarding cabling your system. This is the most important facet of our hobby.
Very valid point fantja.
My intention was not so much to spend less, in so much as gather different brands at various prices, as I'm arranging an audition of the WW Silver Eclipse 7, along with two other ICs and 4 USB cables as of last night.
Thanks for the reminder, of not to cheat oneself by the way.
My pleasure,
Cabling is the final component and most over-looked. We must tie our systems together.
How true........., and being that I'm not a naysayer, I too view it as a component as well. And in saying that, I believe that paying between a fourth or one third of the components it's intended to be used between, is very much in the keeping as far as synergy is concerned, but even then one has to realize what sort of voicing conductor wise is needed, as one flavor does not fit all.
Personally, I have always preferred the sound of pure silver cables over the silver plated copper competitors, including Nordost. I find the silver clad copper cables to have that grain, or edginess in the highs.
Pure silver offers the clarity without the grain.
Clear Day has a good reputation for pure silver cables, and I believe a nice trial period too.
Also in the lower price region, I have found the Amadi Maddie Signature to sound very good for the prices. I don't see any for sale on Audiogon right now, but you can try contacting Phil through his Audiogon moniker: ama7gr
If I recall correctly, you can get a 1 meter pair of his pure silver interconnects for under $300.
Hard to beat at those prices.
Good evening Justlisten2,
Thanks for the recommendations, as well as your logic for selecting pure silver over silver plated copper, as that does make a great deal of sense.
And thanks for adding a new brand to me option to the listing, as I'll certainly try to keep an eye peeled for those Amadi Maddie Signature ICs you've mentioned above.
Check out Signal Cable, they have silver interconnects, with choice of connectors, very affordable and excellent sound!
Hiendmuse said: "Check out Signal Cable, they have silver interconnects, with choice of connectors, very affordable and excellent sound!"
The Signal Cable Silver Resolution interconnect is not solid silver, it is a silver alloy, see quote from website:
"High Purity multi-strand silver alloy interconnect that combines all the strength of silver, but without the associated harshness often found with silver cables offered in this market."
You might want to take a chance on Wirewizards' ICs.I was going to replace my HT ICs with Clear Day.Paul was unable to supply enough pairs.I started to look for an alternative and found ELF cables.
Got in a pair and slipped them into the 2 CH rig to break-in.They haven't left.I use a single set of cables from source to Primaluna integrated.These have excellent dynamics and inter-transient silence.This allows a large soundstage and physical presence to each performer.The cable is quiet,which allows spatial cues to be revealed effortlessly.
I suppose that if you found the silver Helix bright in some fashion ,that the Gold Helix might sound a little more "tame".
30 day money back,don't miss out on them.They are a bargain at $100/1M pr.
Tom:cat
Thanks Hiendmuse,
That's one that I totally had forgotten about. Thanks I'll look into their wares as well.
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