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Apparently Jeff Star and maybe Sailorway think that it is a requirement to have a so called high resolution system to hear differences in changes in wire gauge and other changes. I could probably come up with a dozen or so. This point of view is startling to me. Rather completely beyond belief. Is there anyone out there other than those two that actually believe this? I mean how bad does a system have to be before you can hear the difference between wire, interconnects, vibration damping... Fundamental concepts are not in the main system dependent. One reason for tweaking in the first place is to make a system sound better even if it is mediocre in the first place. I'm not saying that one has to like every change I or others talk about but most people into this sort of thing have some perceptual abilities , ears and such. Tweaker
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Everything makes a difference.
The higher the resolution it should make any differences or improvements easiers to hear. However, there are so many variables it's really not worth discussing, some believe, some don't, some are more in tune with what to listen for, some cables are better than others, in addition to synergy.
I usually tell folks to try it for themselves. My brother had a Denon receiver and Infinity speakers, I gave him some Audioquest Type 4 speaker cable, he said he could hear a difference. I have friends who have very good gear who claim they don't hear enough difference when trying better cables to warrant the expense. Ipersonally wonder if they have a mental block, LOL. I hear differences when comparing cables but I have to accept maybe some people don't or can't.
Nice suggestion.
As for " me ", I'm a firm believer in tweaks, and go about isolating each component from its surroundings, as I believe while we can't see it........,every component does in fact resonant and in doing so introduces a certain harshness to the music in which many aren't aware is present, until one then starts sampling different sorts of noise filters in one form or another.
I too have often asked myself, just how do some people listen?, or even if they might be afraid to admit to themselves and others, they can't hear?, as I'm able to hear what any given device which enters my system is going within 3 tracks at best, whether good, bad or merely indifferently?, and in doing so am not one whom sits there and second guess myself, if something is clearly better then an item which was in the system before it, more often then not........., it's up for sale within 24 hours, as to me tweaking or voicing ones system to suit their ears is about finding that very thin balance between transparacy and neutrality, yet still have a sense of delicacy and textural beauty which is more then capable of drawing the end user into the music in a more organically balanced manner where said user starts to express certain key emotional attributes while listening beyond the scale of the components themselves, and becomes more moved by the actual performance of the artist as laid before them so naturally, that one starts to realize this is what each of us strive towards in selecting our systems as we do, as individuality in itself is the spice of life, lest of course one believes one size fits all?.
Yet as it relates to ones system............., one should be more then willing to put fourth even effort to whine from it, everything it's capable of presenting as far as subtle detailing goes.........., whether it's cabling, power cords, isolation devices, or what have you, every little detailing to these key areas do in fact bring out even more from ones component, yet it's all about which priorities said listener sees as essential in how each has to voice their systems around their likes, and not others..........., therein lies the rub, and one which years ago lead me to view my system and choices as " Mi-Fi ", as I've no one to please at the end of the day except my own sensibilities, or am I missing something in thinking my system shouldn't be built to suit others, whom ears and actual systems do very little to convince me to trust either?.
It's subjective at best..........., but isn't life about one knowing what suits them, more so then others?, it's much like selecting ones wife............, the right one stands by your side for years and years, while the wrong one tries to run back home to her parent(s) at the first sight of a disagreement that doesn't go her way, as more and more women these days aren't willing to let men be men and run the household as our fathers and grandfathers did............., no these type want control of ones money, thinking, power to speak.
Like ones system.............., it's always about which ones speaks gently into ones ears that captures their imagination and heart.
Just shite to chew on.
Tweaker, as you probably know, blanket statements are dangerous. For someone to say you have to have an expensive rig to hear tweaks is not always correct. I've had success placing a cheap DVD player on herbies feet with a top weight. The same tweak did nothing for my Wadia, probably because it has good suspension isolation already.
In fact, with my system now, which I consider quite resolving, quite a few tweaks I've tried yielded nothing that I could hear, better or worse. I usually leave them in though, incase different tweaks might have a cumulative effect. So, like what has been stated before, its system and component dependent.
jhrlid, My point WAS that one doesn't have to have an expensive or extremely revealing system to hear differences, in solder, cable etc. Of course a more revealing system will show more, by definition. Plenty of other people on the net make blanket statements like there is no difference in wire, break in of cable and op amps does nothing ,all amps sound the same... Some people are blind, some are deaf. Some are delusional. I had a friend say that a sign saying that taxis could go straight when private cars had to turn still meant that taxis had to turn. He also denied that the sun was in the sky where I pointed to. If the doors of perception are closed to someone it doesn't mean that there are no rules. Belief systems are very hard to change. Tweaker
Many years ago I wanted to replace my 30 ft each length of monster cable II with 2 meter lengths of of either Harmonic Technologies or Cardas. Dealer had lent me several quality levels of each. My speakers are ESL 63's and my amp at the time was a Robertson 4010. As I had once mentioned in an earlier post, I was dissapointed that no differences jumped out at me. I have Cardas all copper binding posts on amp and speakers. Once or twice a year I would polish and remove any residue thoroughly. Now there was a difference, for the better, I clearly heard. Both in the posts themselves and keeping them Clean.
I've since replaced the Robertson with an ARC D70. Huge improvement in sound. Unfortunately no opportunity to revisit the cable shootout.
For interconnects I clearly prefer the Straitwire Maestro II then any of the monster, QED, or DIY cables on hand. So yes I do hear differences there.
The past few years I have been upgrading parts or tube rolling in my components, providing subtle improvements I can definitely hear.
It's been at least a decade since I did a cable shootout.
With the upgrades I have done since, I may perhaps hear a difference.
Cheers!
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
So yes I used to be a pretty much not able to hear any difference in my system with cables.
When I retired I blew a fortune on a new setup. With a lot of $5K a pop components.
I tried a new cable, just one pair and HELL YES they were better than my old cables. Cardas Parsec new ones. Some old Mark Levinson wire handmade, and some older KimberSO I now can say I CAN hear the difference on my current system, where with my last cheaper system, no I could not.
I do not believe I could hear this without the power conditioners I now have (not so much the items, just having good ones in general)ADDED: It is too late to edit the header. I wrote in part: ""When I had 3K"" but it should be 1K to 2K prior stuff. Thanks
Edits: 03/19/16
" Whether you dab our silver-saturated, hyper-conductive contact lubricant on the AC plug of PlayStation 4 or on every plug a high dollar McIntosh audio system, the results will be stunning! Delicate acoustic guitar overtones stand unveiled. The scream of over-driven electric guitars cut through with extra edge and punch. Your feet can feel the new impact of contrabass, organ, and tympani through the floor boards. Expect equally impressive results for picture quality. Edge resolution immediately sharps, new details emerge from the shadows, color is more vibrant, menu guides and other on-screen texts is clearer and easier to read" Pierre Sprey (I assume) Comment about his Sil Clear product My low resolution system is a Playstation 4. Is that low enough guys??
That's funny. Only a moment ago you were condemning that company for making thin cables.
But now you seem to be confusing marketing blurb with fact.
And also you are deliberately misrepresenting what Jeff said. He didn't say anything about needing a good system to hear wire gauge differences, but he did point out that such things are system dependent.
What he actually said was:
"I still want to know what your system is, the high resolution system that allows you to hear the differences in solder, and gets bright when you use any silver wire or solder"
And I agree. You'd need a decent system to have a chance of hearing that imho.
However, did you consider that you can maybe easily hear the difference between different quality soldering? If your soldering skills matches your grasp of electronics, this might be a valid point. I'm sure you will angrily disagree, as you seem prone to, but knowledge and experience in electronics is often correlated with competent soldering skills. Neither are something you are born with.
... any (all) silver wire or solder is bright. I do believe I have made statements that I don't want or use silver in the signal path because of brightness or unnaturalness issues but didn't mean it as an indictment of ALL or ANY silver products. If taken that way I may have misstated. In my experience I don't like it or want it in the signal path.. In talking about brightness in solder I made it clear that my experience was with one silver solder and not any others and that I had no intention of ABing a million different types of solders. As to silver wire many think certain silver and silver plated wires are bright. It has been pointed out that this may or does depend on the type of silver, hard or soft... I like the sound of cu in general and stick with it. Can't test everything. Hope someone out there learned something. Some silver wire is considered not to be "too" bright. If that were the case I could be very very nice because of, at least in my limited experience silver can be incredibly clear and smooth. Tweaker
You are correct about what YOU see as an inconsistency. I completely disagree with Mapleshade's thin wire theory. So glad you are trying to be so helpful. I also don't like or use silver conductive gease in the signal path for personal taste reasons. I prefer carbon conductive grease in the signal path. Silver in the power supply. That silver or carbon conductive material on connectors has a big effect on sound anyone in this hobby "should" be able to hear even if they don't have Martin Logan Monoliths.. Along with what I think about Mapleshade's notion of thin being better are his ideas of lifting speaker wire off the ground, a great tweak, brass under equipment, fantastic. My system is a PlayStation 4, and please don't forget to point that I misspelled grease. Tweaker
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