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I hate to give these demo Heimdall II's back, based on what I hear.. Unfortunately, at 5X the cost , right now they're only a dream.
Luckily, the ol BH's deliver enough of what's acceptable.
Since revision II is just a few years old, archive threads on 1vs 2 is limited.
Older Heimdall can be found for reasonable deals.
While I'm not questioning the cost/performance of the latest, I'm thinking I may be satisfied with used.
Would be great to read experiences of those who upgraded. What areas seemed to improve?
Just can't stomach the thought of cable 1/2 retail value of the amp!
If the system were a 50k+ rig, I doubt I would have any concern with the extravagance.
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For what it's worth, I was pleasantly surprised what a double run of BH did for my system compared to a single run.
The concept of more conductors makes sense. What also has my attention is the idea isn't a wallet buster. These amazing cables are gone Friday.
What a treat to hear what the modest Opera Seconda is capable of.
The construction comparing the 2 is night and day.
At least with the great sound the cables look and feel substantial.
Anyone that is on the fence with old BH's or similar and considering the splurge, definetly worth it.
...your Nordost dealer has run everything on the VIDAR. That eliminates a lot of grunge, which then allows the cable to its job, which is to pas signal with minimal coloration.
That said, if you want your system to do X, Y, and Z, then those qualities MUST be present in the source components and recordings. No cable, not even Nordost's own Odin, can do magic, and make details appear when/where they do not exist.
A few years ago, I ran my friend's Heimdall interconnects on an audiodharma Cable Cooker. The Cooker outperforms the VIDAR. The Cooker allows the Heimdall to pass image sizes with better accuracy.
-Lummy The Loch Monster
I agree cable ISNT going to magically transform a signal from a so-so piece of equipment/ recording. The fact you can buy a car with the amount needed $$$ is just mind blowing.
The difference in sonics was quite surprising. Not overwhelming, but certainly not one of those squint your eyes and concentrate to hear the tambourine moments.
The cable cooking thing isn't something I have experienced so I don't have an opinion on its merits.
I concur w/ the panel above- $2400 is nothing in terms of spending, if those cables really move you! Happy Listening.
When I was in retail, Nordost was our main line of cable and my favorite by far. I became well acquainted with the original Heimdall and felt it was the "sweet spot" of the line.
I now own Heimdall 2. It's better in every parameter, particularly in being a bit more naturally warm and rich than the original.
If your reluctance to pony up for version 2 is philosophical, get over it and spend the money. If your reluctance is due to a strict budget, buy the used version 1 with confidence. It is still excellent cable and a distinct improvement over the already fine Blue Heaven. You'll get more of what you like and some of what you didn't know you were missing.
Good luck!
"If your reluctance to pony up for version 2 is philosophical, get over it and spend the money"
Yeah, that's basically what you have to do, wanna play, you gotta pay!
I did a tally of a fully dressed V2 system, and it blows past 5k real quick!
"It's better in every parameter, particularly in being a bit more naturally warm and rich than the original."
Does that mean in your system,the older version comparatively speaking,leaned toward sterile/analytical?
I would be curious to hear my system plumbed with Odin. I think you would have a nice house down payment with the equal $ amount.
Thanks for the insight.
for several months I ran a couple different, cheap, ugly (but GOOD!) Rawson gainclone
amps that cost maybe 10% of what the cabling connected to them cost. It's pretty easy
to get over the price differential if the sound is there.
I'm not talking big money, but the budget proportions were real.
When it gets down to it its all about system synergy and we are are somewhat programmed to think cables
should cost less than any other component of a system. That's not necessarily true.
So, as someone on a budget, the anti-pragmatic approach to cost differentials between various
components and any sort of budgeting strategies were thrown out the window and I
learned to stomach what many might think of as ridiculous, stupid or silly to achieve the
sound I want to get.
IF you can get the scratch together and your ears tell you it's right, go for it!
*Sorry, have no experience with those specific cables so can't help you there. Good luck!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
"IF you can get the scratch together and your ears tell you it's right, go for it"
Yeah, that's been my rationale over the years, maybe that's why my wallet is always empty!
I'm certain at some point I'll just give in and surrender my credit card number. For now, I will just have the memory of mighty fine cable.
Nice pic! Feel free to post more photos of your system.
What gear is in your system?
What is the retail on Heimdall II ?
"What is retail on Heimdall II ?"
I'm basing my statement on length I would use vs. the closeout price of my BH's, so clearly a HUGE gap.A 3M pair is just south of $2400. Nordost is never on sale, so unless one has dealer connections, you're lucky to get maybe 10-15% off at a typical establishment.
I have a modest tube integrated Prima Luna Dialogue HP @$4400, so desired cable its reaching the value of the amp. I'm all about CHEAP when possible and a few try's with value
cables didn't impress enough to switch out the ancient BH's.
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