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In Reply to: RE: Cable Cooker posted by alan m. kafton on June 10, 2015 at 12:40:00
Yeah, I know, a cable mfg cannot rely on someone else's anecdotal information, Mr. Brisson is very careful about that as he/they should. remember, Mr. Brisson's son is a patent attorney and they know that unless they do their own testing of a 3rd party product and see the long term effects, it's probably going on deaf ears. They have warranty periods that last a long time, so they would have to probably test every product with each cable burner in question and re-measure their cables after the initial burn-in and then re-measure after many years to see what long term effects there might be.
Obviously, the other potential problem is that what happens if someone accidentally crosses wires while being connected to a burn in box? What's his name, Murphy and his silly laws come into effect at some point in time. :-)
It's all about first understanding what's covered under the warranty period and what isn't and then doing what you feel most comfortable with. I personally just don't want to violate any mfg warranty on a product if I can, especially when i just plunked down several thousand on a cable. I might entertain using one after the warranty period is up to see if there is still a drastic improvement, but not until they give the thumbs up while under warranty.
Follow Ups:
....if you have any doubts (and you surely do), don't do it.
I guess. Also, my name isn't Dr. Blank, the moniker is drblank, not Dr. Blank, so don't use caps and periods as it wasn't intended that way. It's just a screen name because it's catchy. ;-)
It's all a blank to me, Mr. Blank....you just showed up and registered yesterday, with NO background information or music system information, and started instructing the rest of us, with long run-on sentences, on how we should be interacting with cable manufacturers and conditioning cables, a subject with which you even admit you have no experience.Other inmates who frequent AA, especially the Cable Asylum might find your pronouncements highly-suspect and troll-like. You're not the first gent to visit here, feel the need to instruct others, and save us from ourselves. Carry on, and let's see how you fare.
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Contact the cable mfg to see what their stance is on using a cable burn-in device.
That's about the most basic approach to figuring out if you should use a device to axcellerate conditioning a cable.
Ask the following questions.
1. Is the cable burn in box that you are planning on using approved during the warranty period?
2. Will it violate the warranty of the cable?
3. Will it lessen the lifespan of a cable that contains passive components/
4. Any recommended burn in device that is recommended?
5. Recommended burn-in practices that will provide the best results without violating the warranty or potentially lessening the lifespan of the cable or any passive components with regards to those specific types of cables.
That's about the best advice ANYONE can give to avoid confusion and to get the approval by the mfg that designed and built the product you are using.
Audiomaniac- Which cables are you getting conditioned? I look forward to your pre and post listening experience.
I own a cable conditioner and would not be without one. So far Audioquest, Morrows, Synergistic Research, Black Sands Audio, generic cords and cables have all benefitted from conditioned.
Even my headphone cables (Sennheiser 800) improved.
Not all cable manufactures condition their cables but many do and some do it for an extra fee.
I've been enjoying this discussion about cable burn-in. Never did I realize it was such a "hot" issue. I definitely believe in the validity of cables needing to season. It also seems normal that many manufacturers of high end cables recommend 100 or so hours to achieve some sort of settling down of the audio sound of their cable. In my situation, I probably spend about 10-15 hours a week listening to my gear which uses tubes. I don't want to leave my tube gear on for about 10 hours a day for 10 days to simply achieve a burned in cable to see if I like it or not. That is why I initially asked the question about cable burn-in devices here on this discussion board.Let me say that I GREATLY appreciate Alan helping me out with my cables. It is really a nice offer by someone who is obviously into this hobby of audio and is willing to help out someone much less knowledgeable like myself. Thank you Alan!
David, I don't want to say which cables I'm using because I don't really think it would add anything to the discussion and I want to keep my options open for returning the cables. I think what I am dealing with can happen with any cables depending upon system matching. I will say that the cables are not mega expensive cables. But they are extremely transparent and revealing in my system and a little on the hot side in the vocals and upper extremes. I have sent my cables to Alan for burn-in and will report back the results.
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David-
how do you like the Black Sands Audio products?
The Black Sands are fine. In my system the Synergistic Research power cords are special.
Concerning power cords, Alan Kafton has just come out with an adaptor to condition the ground wire of the power cord. I have ordered the adaptor and am looking forward to it's evaluation.
Hi, David....thanks for the kind mention. Just to clarify, the new adaptor conditions the Hot, Neutral, AND Ground conductors (and also importantly) and internal ground contacts (within the AC plugs) at the same time....never been done before. The ground pins of most AC connectors are fairly substantial in mass as well.
To Audiomaniac:
A suggestion. When you get your cables back put them in the system and play them for several hours a day for three days, only then start your critical listening.
Many opinions as to why it happens but most people at audio shows agree that on day three most systems sound better.
David....I just installed audiomaniac's cables on the HI-POWER Cooker, and as they are new, will give them 4 days of conditioning. I also e-mailed him regarding same, and advised at least one full day (or more) of playing music through the newly-conditioned cables so they may settle-in, before doing any critical listening.Since I'm only doing this in one session, rather than performing 2 or 3 Cooking-and-listening evaluations, I'm trusting the 4 days will be more than adequate. After settling-in, I have no doubt audiomaniac will hear improvement. We'll await his commentary in a couple of weeks.
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Yes, I'm going to give it a while after I get them back before I make any kind of conclusions.
...playing time did your new cables have, before you sent them to Alan? Moreover, were you able to listen to these cables, at all, pre-Cooking?
Back in 2003, when we first took receipt of a Cable Cooker, we had about a dozen identical 1-meter pairs of single-ended Kimber PBJ. Some had been used since 1993, others were new (both from the Ziplock older production, and some from the newer clamshell packaging).
Thus, we were able to compare treated versus untreated samples. We were also able to leave a given interconnect on for increments of 1-day, 2-days, 3-days, and so forth.
Back in 1986, I started with the Original Monster Cable, and Monster's IL-400. So if we do the math, I went about 17 years, before having access to the Cable Cooker. And that is too bad. Thanks to some of today's audiophiles, who have graciously located some of their old (> 20 years) cables, we regret that cable burn-in devices were not available, back in the 80s and 90s. We currently have been treating these 20-year-old cables, and all these years, we did not see their true potential, got only a small fraction of what they are capable of. Back in the early 90s, we loved the AQ Lapis, XLO Reference Type 1, Kimber 4TC. As much as we liked the untreated samples, the treated versions are significantly cleaner, less grainy and distorted.
Kudos for making the effort, taking the time, and encumbering the expense to get your new cables treated. You are light years ahead of those who haven't.
Not too long. But the top end was irritating and I knew that they would need some serious break-in time if they were going to have a chance in my system.
Priority mail.
Cool! My system has been way too quiet! I'll post a report after I've had a chance to run them in a little. Thanks!
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