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In Reply to: RE: mediocre posted by madisonears on May 25, 2015 at 22:39:04
Folks being combative with every innocent poster who tosses their 2 cents into AA forums is getting old. I use very expensive cables in my main audio system, less costly cables as well as pricey hand-me-down cables orphaned from my main audio system which are then placed in my second system(s), but I don't beat good spirited posters over the head if I don't agree with their suggestions.
my bloody 2 cents worth
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I'm used to the 'If you don't spend a FORTUNE you've either got bad hearing or a non-resolving system.' It is a BS approach designed to establish Dominance (Pecking Order) and sustain the prejudice of the poster.
When I go to THE Newport this weekend, I'll be CERTAIN to look for the number of persons in attendance with HEARING AIDS. I'm sure they can tell the difference between Canare cable and whatever wacky expensive cable you'd like.
If I were answering Mad, I'd ask if he'd like to have someone swap or NOT his speaker wires with the Canare or perhaps even the less expensive Belden. Come into the room and say with certainty if the cables had or hadn't been swapped. 20 repeats would establish a statisticlly valid basis for the claim or NOT.
The easiest cable to distinguish has poor measurables, IMO. For example, using a small wire which adds series resistance or maybe high capacitance or inductance so it acts as a FILTER.
40 feet is a crazy lot of cable. Whoever suggested SHORTER gets my vote, even if they want to use a Home Depot Extension Cord.
Too much is never enough
I never indicated that cable must be expensive to be good. The cable I use for my main speakers cost little more than the BJC stuff because it is very short and I made it myself. I am not concerned with pecking order based on price or any other criterion. If you love BJC, that's great. Glad you found the right cable for your system.
I welcome the opportunity to compare cables unsighted. I'm confident I can discern the difference if there is one. It's not hard to do. BJC is decent entry level cable. It's cheap and sturdy if all you want is cheap and sturdy. It's called Blue Jeans for that reason. It doesn't do anything badly, but neither is it highly resolving. I have recommended it to others and use it myself where economy trumps accuracy.
This is a contentious topic and perhaps we take it too seriously. Any suggestion should stand on its own merit. The OP spent a lot of money on his stereo and knows little about cable but is interested to learn. Some of you made very personal or parsimonious recommendations that might not serve him well. Others offered vague platitudes and no really helpful information. Is this a forum for discussion or a kindergarten where everyone gets a trophy for participating? Make a suggestion that I think is bad and I'll say so, and give reasons for it. I try to not criticize other posters personally. If anyone takes offense, it was not intended. I mean to be assertive, not rude.
Oh well, it's no longer important because I think he got scared off by the inmates. This is all so petty. I'm done with this thread. Next suggestion will be eBay mil-spec silver plated copper with PVC insulation, and no one should say a thing against it.
Peace,
Tom E
For EVERY cable I've seen recommended, somebody stands up and says 'No, not in MY system!'
Silver this. Carbon that. Poly whatever. Oil soaked cotton over Teflon!
It is all opinion and wacky. I really wish I could put you to the test. Unless the cable has some very bad problems, I'd suspect failure to distinguish or 'chance' results.
At least reasonable advice to a newbie is to NOT spend a bundle and to buy fundamentals. Low resistance, inductance AND capacitance. That's as good a starting point as you'll find, and even that gets many persons hackles up.
Kooky
Too much is never enough
You need to check the rules.
See:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/d.mpl?audio/dbt.html
Also:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/d.mpl?audio/cables.html
Note that your insistence on el cheapo cables is treading the line for this latter rule, and you could be banned at any time for it.
Don't like the rules, don't post here.
People do not need to be "saved from themselves", and no one elected you as the savior. Chill out or face the consequences.
Cable Asylum Moderator,
Jon Risch
Hi All,
I appreciate everyone's help in this discussion. It's amazing how much technology has evolved, and I understand there is reasonable debate about how much to spend. Honestly I'm pretty scared of the "basic low end stuff" and so I very much hear the comments. Additionally, I don't want to blow it out at the beginning, for two reasons
1) I want the ability to change out cables to improve the sound later - cheapest way to have a noticeable upgrade
2) I don't know enough and am likely to make a bad decision
I'm inclined to use a "brand name" kind of cable like Audioquest that has been recommended by several. I am going to check out DNM too. I understand I might be overspending by going with a brand name but I just don't feel like I know enough to assess alternatives.
Again, very helpful discussion. These boards have been priceless at helping me put together my dream system. I have found a way to wire the speakers with 15 feet each, possibly less, based on posters advice.
This was all great for me. Thank you.
Kingist
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