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In Reply to: RE: LOL!!!!!!!!!! posted by unclestu on May 23, 2015 at 20:06:20
I sure wouldn't spend it on Kimber mono or bi or tri or select or whatever they call it this time.
I may be ignorant of the market because I quit paying much attention to manufacturer's advertising and dealer's nonsense a few years ago. You're the one who claims not much has changed in 25 years, yet a "new" model with a cute new name and a flashy new jacket is released every few years.
I spend my money and time on wire and insulation, not paying for fancy packaging and studying marketing ploys. I use a braided solid core design for mids and tweets. Almost anybody can make speaker cable at a fraction of the cost of commercial stuff. No magic dust required.
But if putting rope into Kimber cable improves it, then certainly do it. It is nice to get improvement for little cost. But if it's so little cost and makes such a difference, why doesn't Kimber make it just that way? Your reasons are not at all convincing, my market ignorance notwithstanding.
Peace,
Tom E
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A little research will show that the Kimber bifocal series has been around for at least decade as well as its Select series. Despite your claims of frequent cosmetic changes, it is not borne out in reality, at least not with Kimber designs.
They have made incremental performance changes but for the most part it has not added additional cost to the models. The cost increases are more a matter of the world market demand for precious metals, mostly silver and gold, but also copper.
I was out of audio almost completely for 6 years, so based on what I know and the rather appalling conclusions you have reached ( probably based on another company's offerings), I will simply assume you have been in a shell for well over a decade.
I don't know what you or anyone else here gains by your insulting me, but you seem to enjoy it. Is that how you try to establish superiority? I'll try to simply ignore it.
Perhaps Kimber is one of the more reputable companies with a logical and stable design philosophy, but I don't care for the sound of their bulk wire or their manufactured IC's. Perhaps the speaker cable is better, but why would I expect that? Besides, their products are still overpriced for what they are.
I do not research commercial products or pay much attention to Kimber or any other cable manufacturer's proclamations of supremacy due to this or that special feature. Perhaps that is being "in a shell," but my stereo sounds excellent and I've saved a lot of money. Until someone invents a conductor better than OCC copper or an insulation substantially better and more practical than teflon or air, new "developments" are mostly BS.
You recommend AQ cables in the above thread.
What a hypocrite. I have sold AQ cable also and they change designs exactly as you attribute to Kimber. You go on a tirade, erroneously, about how they change designs frequently with only a change in name and advertising. When I pointed out their designs have remained relatively stable, for up to 25 years in some cases, you ignore the facts.
I find your attitude both puzzling and totally ignorant of the actual facts. I personally like both Ray Kimber and Joe Harley (Kimber and AQ). However, I am not ignorant of the facts of the market and the cost factors which influence prices. Such factors do not only affect audio components but everyday products from food to cars and such.
Remember, Ignorance can be cured by knowledge and research. On the other hand, stupidity can not. I do not recall calling you stupid, hoping that some illumination would cure your falsely concluded statement.
You can select the grave you dig.
You see every thread as a debate that you must win, and you must always have the last word. Your "argument" here is a bit off target. Calling me names again? Cut it out. Did you actually read my post about AQ? I specifically mentioned their habit of superficially changing model names and cosmetics for no good reason. Where did I accuse Kimber specifically of that practice? What tirade? What facts did I ignore? I admitted that Kimber has a logical and stable design philosophy.
Your name-dropping does not impress me at all. I'm sure they're very nice and knowledgeable people, but knowing them confers no legitimacy to their products' value. I don't care if you like Ray or Joe or Moe or Larry or Curly if they make the best cables in the world but they cost more than what they're worth.
Thank goodness there is a cure for my ignorance. Does it involve reading ad copy? Meeting Ray Kimber? Reading your posts? Please, educate me, enlighten me, illuminate the darkness of my false conclusions. I know nothing about marketing or costs or profit margins.
This is my last post in response to your insults. I know you cannot allow anyone else to speak last, so go ahead, write whatever you wish. You'll win another argument.
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