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According to Nordost, "the Odin 2 will unleash every facet of a live performance and allow listeners to fully immerse themselves in a complete and pure musical experience. Odin 2 doesn't just set the standard; it blows the standards away."
Here's the cost to convert my rig to the Odin 2's...
3 meter pair speaker cables...$54,000
Jumpers...$7000
3 pairs of 1.5 meter RCA's...$25,000 each X 3 pairs = $75,000
5 Power Cords of 2.5 meters each...$22,000 each X 5 = $110,000
1 RCA digital cable 1.25 meters...$11,000
Drum roll please...$254,000 MSRP
My 3 questions are...
What would be the total value of a system that uses these cables???
How big is this market?
Or does it really matter?
I am not bashing these cables...I am just befuddled by who would buy these???
Thanks
Mark
Follow Ups:
A few observations:
1. The same type comments were made when the original Nordost Valhallas came out. Now they are recognized as a breakthrough product that raised the bar for all other cables. Many reviewers if not most have said identical things about Odin, viz., despite their skepticism given the pricing, Odin indeed is a revolutionary breakthrough product. So you are paying for the highest levels of invention, engineering and production, much like a Lamborghini or Ferrari.
2. I have not seen a post in this thread by anyone who actually has HEARD Odin 2, or Odin 1 for that matter.
3. If you think it is obscenely expensive, regardless of level of performance, don't buy it. See if that causes a price reduction. let the market dictate whether Odin 2 is overpriced.
4. I own an Odin digital cable, and I have a 401K. I bought it used, but it still was very expensive.
Neal
Now we have MQA rolling out promising to be everything to every one and it seems the entire industry has drunk the Kool-Aid for Bob Stuart version of DSP.Nordost, which I always considered a reasonably fine company, no better no worse, claims, "the Odin 2 will unleash every facet of a live performance and allow listeners to fully immerse themselves in a complete and pure musical experience. Odin 2 doesn't just set the standard; it blows the standards away."
Of course, there's also John Atkinson claiming from his listening to the Vandersteen speakers at a recent show, "... the hairs on the back of my neck stood up, so powerfully physical was the presence of the singer in the room.... musically perfect across the board!"
Which should put to rest once and for all any remaining questions about Atkinson's hearing abilities, integrity, judgement, and/or motive.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/critics/messages/7/79204.html
Where does it stop?
As with Atkinson's claims about the Vandersteen speaker, Nordost also overlooks every other part of the playback system. IOW, if you use these Nordost cables, nothing else matters, if you have Vandersteen speakers, nothing else matters, and you're listening to MQA recordings, nothing else matters.
How about this?
If I want to hear exactly what the engineers in the studio heard, then according to the "experts",
1. If I purchase Nordost cables and then I don't need the Vandersteen speaker nor MQA.
2. If I purchase Vandersteen speakers, I don't need Nordost cables nor MQA.
3. If I purchase MQA recordings and converters, I don't need Nordost cables, nor Vandersteen speakers.In case you haven't noticed, the industry "experts" are in a drunken stupor with hyperbola to say or do whatever it takes for you to keep feeding the machine, whether it's buying their products, their technologies, or subscribing to their publications. Even though they are in complete contradiction with each others' claims, they don't care because they realize we the consumer will lap up at least one flavor of the Kool-Aid, if not more than one.
Forget about morals, ethics, integrity, well-trained ears, etc. This drunken stupor started with Memorex' 1970's commercials with Ella Fitzgerald, "Is it live, or is it Memorex" slogans.
But to answer your question, only a well-heeled idiotic with untrained ears and who's stupid enough to believe Nordost's BS, is likely to buy this model of cable. Perhaps a professional basketball player or maybe brain-damaged football player, or perhaps the likes of Mikey Fremer, John Atkinson, etc., etc.
Make no mistake, for these"experts" to make these outlandish claims time and again and for us to let them get away with such outlandish claims time and again, it should be clear that "high-end" audio, from a performance perspective, clearly remains in its infancy.
In fact, it seems the only thing high-end about "high-end" audio is the hyperbola.
Edits: 05/16/15
People that buy Nordost Odin do not have 401K's
Edits: 05/13/15
Right, and they don't get a W-2 at the end of January either.
E
T
This is true.
Price of season's lawn tickets @ tanglewood to locals: $75
I just recently read of Magico Loudspeakers producing a new *reference* at $150000 or was it 250000 a pair. The total production run was, I think, presold with the promise that no more would be made therefore promising the buyer a very exclusive product.In other words, these loudspeakers were purchased for a reason only partially connected to their sound ( especially since most if not all never heard them first.) Call it what you like- pride of ownership, bragging rights etc.- they have something almost no one else does and are willing to pay almost anything to put themselves in that category.
A smart manufacturer would provide cables that provide the same ego trip.
Edits: 05/12/15
Or, because it is a damn fine loudspeaker- lancelot.
They did not mention their most important hyper update coming which is replacing all wire from ac power socket to power plant source for 16 million- now that is a deal!
You can do quite a lot in the last 6 or 10 feet , whatever. AC delivery improvements I made since 2005 with the same system have made a huge difference. I don't have high dollar AC cables but no stock shit either.
E
T
Mark-
total value of the system would be $2.5 million.
The price-budget ratio for complete cables/cords is 10-20% of total cost.
Or, 10-20% of retail price of gear used in any system.
After spending all that on the cables....
I know that I would have nothing left - not even a room...
Happy Listening
I assume they are using exotic materials to rationalize that price. The design looks fairly straightforward. Of course their could be something I am missing.
Dave
Anyone using $250k of their 401k life savings is a damn fool!
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