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In Reply to: RE: If you feel you were duped send them back for a refund... posted by musetap on March 23, 2015 at 22:54:53
Then the wire composition, being duped was in last place ;)
Actually, the most interesting part is the sound, which is very unbelievable, but won't go there.
Follow Ups:
-Since you refer to the sound, you apparently used them. With no mention of smoking or a burning smell, they appear to be "safe."-You have confirmed that they are copper; they are not aluminum.
-You state that: "Actually, the most interesting part is the sound, which is very unbelievable, but won't go there."
If this means that they sound decent or better, at $110 for a 2 meter, 8 ga cable, it does not appear that you were "duped" either.
Edits: 03/24/15
Let's see what our cable man Duster will say about the fire hazard.
Whether or not a power cord gets warm to the touch under normal operation is not the safety criteria to be judged in this case, since the power cord in question involves large gauge low-resistance conductors capable of a high current load. The important factor in this case is the dielectric (insulation material) must be capable of high voltage transients without resulting in a catastrophic fire event. The nature of a particular insulation material implemented for conductors when used for AC delivery must be rated for a very high voltage surge in order to be considered safe. It's negligent for a seller, as well as an end-user to choose questionable wire for an AC delivery application. If you do decide use it, an audiophile quality power distributor/line conditioner with proper surge protection would be advisable, but that recommendation does not mean folks should feel free to use a questionable power cord just because it's plugged into a surge protector.
my 2 cents
...to the seller. I did a lot of research the last three days, learned things that I never knew, and, most importantly, very interesting correspondence happened between me, the Audiopipe representative, my wife, and the seller :-)).
Man, I can't believe I got this far into it, but the result was rewarding, because now I can sleep better without those things in my home.
Holy shit, Duster, these days people have no pride and integrity. I don't want to get into the weeds, but that seller is a peace of work... Sometimes people just don't realize that we live in the Internet age...
There is just one thing that I still can't understand - the very decent performance of the cables.
Anyway, I really appreciate your help on this matter.
Did the Audiopipe representative advise that the wire should not be used for AC power cables?
I have to say it's a lousy company wit a lousy website. They got back to me 2 days after receiving my first email.
The guy never answered the question about the AC application, but he confirmed that the wire is CCA. He said they make copper too, but it has a "cpr" designation on it.
"It Is Tinned Copper, posted on March 24, 2015 at 05:08:56
Got confirmation from three different sources."
Since it is aluminum (copper-clad), so much for the 3 confirmations that it was tinned copper.
This evolved into a somewhat bizarre tale. It's a jungle out there. Or a maze.
First info was from two different Audiopipe distributors, and the seller, the CCA thing came yesterday from Audiopipe guy named David Thornton with Company's logo under his signature.
It is a cheap Chinese shit, and I think they're crooks. I jus want to forget about it as fast as I can.
Understood. There are plenty of good PC's available.
I may be able to steer you towards replacing the returned power cords for something better. Do you have a maximum price point for each power cord in mind? What make/model gear will the power cords be placed on?
Thanks again, Duster.
One cable should power up Audia Flight Three integrated (to the wall), the other one is for the Panamax 5300 conditioner with big-ass plasma, blu ray, CDP and cable box connected to it. Cables must be around 2 meters long, budget +/- $400.
I already, just in case, ordered Pangea 9 mk2 and Shunyata Venom HC cables, which are returnable. But my wife really hates the Pangea looks and it's very hard to work with. I've been thinking about the Signal cable for the Panamax, I just don't want them to be thinner than 10 ga.
See AA email.
I had no luck trying to find out what the insulation is made of. It looks like clear speaker wire insulation.
From Maze Audio's ad:
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"8 Gauge AC Power Cord
Perfect for Power Amplifiers and other high amperage components. These cables will cleanly pass all of the power your amps need!" ...
Since the guy at Maze Audio seems to be forthcoming, you could ask him about the safety issue/customer feedback on this.
His Ebay feedback during the previous 12 months shows 544 positive and 1 negative (this was about shipping costs, not product quality). Though it is unknown what percentage of the 544 were the same PC you purchased.
Here's the wire manufacturer website's part on those particular power wires:
I asked him, and he said they never had any problems. I also looked at his feedback, lots of folks bought those particular cables (based on the price). So at this point I'm kind of confused.
You might solicit views here or elsewhere on what the symptoms of an "unsafe" PC would be - insulation warm/hot to the touch? etc.?
If they are in your bedroom system, they are presumably not used for extended periods unattended. I do not know the current draw for the amp, but if it is not monstrous it should be OK. Presumably not much draw in the other component.
Of course, all of the admonishments about 12V DC vs. 120V AC are correct. So far, with the information you have been given, if it were me and I liked the sound of them, and the cost/benefit was reasonable, I would use them in the bedroom system.
Thanks, Dave. It was intended for use on an Aidia Flight 3 integrated 75/125 into 8/4 (connected to the wall), and Panamax conditioner which has a 60 " plasma and blu Ray connected.
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