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In Reply to: RE: MIT and Cardas posted by gkirkos on February 06, 2015 at 11:55:10
So...interesting development.
Turns out, all along, I was not hearing the MIT speaker cable, really. You see, the Magnepan Super MMGs, with bass panel, requires two sets of cables. One for amp-> bass panel, the other for bass panel -> main speakers. I was using the MIT cables for the first connection and a pair of Audioquest Rocket 44 for the main speaker connection.
So I switched them. Wow, wow, wow. With the MIT cables where they should have been all along (bass panel -> main speakers) the results are astonishingly better. All the MIT traits come through in spades. Bass has great tone, impact, authority, mids are super clear, highs are beautiful and the soundstage is precise and stable. I love how my system sounds now. I'm not exaggerating when I say this is the single most impactful change from a single component that I can remember (including the Soundsmith, which is a dang good cart) I was chasing this tail for a long time with tube upgrades, everything but all along it was the AQ cables. Now I'm back to MIT and have even purchased a better set. MIT is back on my "no brainer" list.
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Which Cardas interconnects are you using with which MIT speaker cables?
I'm using Cardas Cross IC's for the analog front end, and Cardas Neutral Reference for the CD player. The MIT Speaker cable is AVT1. I've just purchased a pair of Shotgun S3s but haven't tried them yet.
I've posted this so many times, but few listen. You really have to listen to the cable in YOUR system since all cables sound different in different systems. Cardas was the very worst cable for ME in My system....all Ayre and Vandersteen 5A speakers. I tried a dozen or so different top of the line cables from as many manufacturers I could find. That's not to say Cardas is bad....only in MY system.
Audio is strange. When I got the Ayre stuff, I also got a full loom of Ayre cables thinking that was the way to go. Not until someone came over with a hunk of Purist Anniversary did I hear the system open up. I knew that with Cardas in the system, the result was a closed in, kind of brown sound with not much definition. Ayre told me to try other Cardas cables ...I think I had their whole line. They all sounded similar...a bit more highs, a bit more or less of this or that, but they all sounded lousy. I began my glorious quest for the perfect loom. It took months, but my favorites then where Audioquest Sky/Everest (which Vandersteen uses in the 5A's. As a whim I got some AntiCables due to a great Absolute Sound Review. Although the Anti's didn't sound like the Audioquest.....no one could pick a winner between the 2. Due to the price difference, I wired the system with Anti's. (I'm interested now in the Wireworld stuff and will try that, after a very positive purchase of their HDMI cable for my 5.1 system.) Anyway...if Cardas is your favorite, it might very well be giving you that sound from something going on in YOUR system. Cardas is awful in mine. Enjoy!
Hi just one word about system dependency.
I tend to believe more to the " good cable - bad cable " distinction.
A good cable (i.e. well designed and built) should be at least good, if not the best solution, with many system.
Cardas are good. Very.
Kind regards,
bg
Beppe....it may be wonderful for you, but it is awful in MY system. I even spoke to Cardas about it and they told me it needs more break-in (after a few months of using every day). That's why I urge people to listen and evaluate what its doing for you. I live in Arizona...hardly rains, never snows, 90 degrees, etc....that's why the car I drive is perfect...FOR HERE. If I still lived in New York, it could never exist with pothols, snow etc. Also, if you use different designed cable in your system how can you solve any sound problem. Obviously, you're happy, and I'm happy for you.
Hi and ok i trust you.
I think that "few months of using every day" should be enough for a burn-in.
My friend who has all the Neutral Ref series (ics and speaker cables) tells me that the burn-in took him some weeks.
Clearly they are not a universally valid solution.
Kind regards,
bg
Edits: 04/16/15
Hi
read somewhere that at Ayre Acoustics used to use Cardas cables to test their units.
So i was understanding that the matching should be guaranteed in some ways.
Disclaimer, i am an admirer of Cardas cables.
Especially with digital they have indeed a magic touch IMHO.
Even starting from the cheapest ones like Crosslink and 300B that i personally have.
Just and addition. When i read that they tend to slow down music, this is good. Music should not be fast.
I am always hearing for a sort of time alignment between different frequencies.
And the Cardas i think deliver in this aspect quite well. All the frequencies arrive at the same time to the listener, very well aligned.
Kind regards,
bg
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Looking forward to your impressions- gkirkos.
Very cool- gkirkos.
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