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In Reply to: RE: everything positive and rosy? posted by Mungo Jerry on May 07, 2012 at 12:26:54
The reason why DBT discussions and audiophile cable naysaying is not allowed in Cable Asylum (anymore) is that folks who opposed the notion of audiophile cables (and who tended to denigrate audiophile cable advocates as being delusional "believers") turned this forum into an attack ridden flame war battleground, with little accomplished other than unresolvable intellectual contention and bitterness. Find an audio forum that allows cable bashing and have your say. Otherwise, folks who visit Cable Asylum don't need to be saved from themselves, nor from audiophile cable advocates who might try to be of help to those who seek audiophile advice within a friendly atmosphere.
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Dusty, I am not interested in a war, nor did I ever say that differences in power cords don't exist. I just wish people would post how they came to their conclusions. If I say cable A blows the doors off cable B when someone asks me for a recommendation, don't you think I should mention how I came to the conclusion? And possibly why?
First of all, anyone who says anything blows the doors off of anything else, be it cables, amps, speakers, etc. should be immediately dismissed. I know anytime I read one of those junior high remarks such as "ABC just smoked my old XYZ", I immediately know it was written by someone with almost no experience and/or someone with an alterior motive (sales).
Second, I do agree with you that anytime someone makes a suggestion, again be it cables or gear, they should do their best to share their system and musical bias'. As someone who has been reading audio liturature (threads, mags, blogs) for several decades, I can usually sniff it out and decide whether the recommendation would help me or not. A newbie may not be able to read through the haze though. Not that people mis-lead others on purpose, but most don't understand synergy very well. IMHO, system building is all about synergy. For example, with the proper associated equipment, I can make just about any cable, amp, speaker, etc. sound very good. It's not a matter of what is the best cable or amp, it's a matter of what will sound best to me, in my system.
Sometimes, if I know what direction the person wants to go in, I may recommend stuff that did not work for me, but they may be travelling in a different direction than I am. There are many, many paths that lead to sonic nirvana and most of us arrive there by traveling different paths.
So knowing ones path when making a recommendation should add more weight than just a blank reco, I would think. At least for me it would.
Look how being contrarian wears folks down. How nice to observe friends playing together.
"Apparently, people now believe that mental telepathy is the foundation of communication and magic is the source of daily events. Consequently, we no longer have to participate in our own lives."
Nice reply. I think it sums up a great deal of things.
Cheers, Duster
For starters I dare say anyone caring in investigate would quickly discover an example of how things are not always positive and rosy where we are concerned, yet on extra-audio/sonic matters I would maintain (for want of a better way to put it).But as to audio and the cable (and related) realm it is quite clear that your curiosity and willingness to exert effort to investigate and experiment is clearly a grade above. Yet I've not witnessed you *ever* getting on a high pedestal to trumpet your virtues or belittle others.
Moreover you are more than willing to share your accumulated knowledge and do so in a measured and contained manner. Even when you discover a promising product that is by any standard inexpensive you discuss it with the same sort of mannered moderation evident when discussing considerably more dear stuff.
If anything I think it a great shame that someone such as yourself does not have unlimited access to audio components in general, for I would expect you'd experiment with the lot and provide benefit to all comers, be they owners of modest or the most exotic/expensive gear.
So take take a compliment from a guy whom you no doubt think is only interested in sniping at you, a mistaken assumption, but then when it comes to the extra-audio stuff that's where I think you sometimes go astray ... but now I've said too much.
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That said should you decline (the compliment), no problem, I'm not the type to curry favor so it's not terribly important to me one way or the other.
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
Edits: 05/10/12
Someone has stolen bjh's identity.
Thanks for the kind words!
Cheers, Duster
Most welcome.
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
"The BEST you can do in that price range is look for a Forte 4a. They don't come up often and are sold quickly, so you have to move quickly. 50 wpc of Class A power. This little sweetie will embarass many multi-thousand dollar amps today. I think the Forte 6 is 150 wpc, but it's not Class A power"
Short’s the best position they is. Bullet in the Brain
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There is no doubt that offering detailed information about a personal recommendation can be of great help to readers, but since some posters don't always immediately jump into deep details about such things, the solution is that readers choose to ask pertinent questions rather than to expect things of interest be explained by a poster right off the bat. Furthermore, the OP originally complained about specific forum rules which have been clearly explained, while general complaints about the lackadaisical attitude of some posters can be at best considered a pet peeve regarding human nature (I have a few pet peeves of my own). my 2 cents
That's a big problem on most of these threads, mis-communication. Many people come here (or any other forum) looking for advice, but they don't know how to ask pertinent questions. Many don't even really know what they are looking for or which direction they want to go. They are totally lost. There's not much you can do for these folks, they usually just need to figure it out on their own.
There should be no requirement that posters must disclose some sort of credibility test pertaining to any details about their evaluations. Questions may be asked of a poster in the spirit of the forum, but if folks are looking for some sort of proof of objectivity in these matters, it's not obtainable nor a productive thing to argue about in Cable Asylum.
BTW, my nym is Duster (not Dusty).
Of course you needn't disclose how you ascertained your conclusions - it would sure help, especially for the neophytes in the crowd.
Cable discussion is a very contentious, controversial topic. People should not take it lightly.
That's the spirit! Be friendly and ask questions. As some folks say, "There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers".
Cheers, Duster
Duster, whether we agree or not, you are a cool guy in my book.
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