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After numerous complaints about being ripped off by Revelation Audio Labs, Audiogon has FINALLY done the right thing and banned its owner, Brad Vojtech from doing business there.
If you are even remotely considering doing business with this scam artist, check out the dozens of negative posts about him. Hopefully, the legal system will catch up with him soon and he'll get what he deserves.
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Shouldn't this be posted in Shady Lane , thats where most people look to find out about possible schisters .
I don't know where is Shady Lane, but if you would be so kind to add the link to warn people. I think you will do a great favor for many innocent people out there.
Regards,
Paisan
This thread was already 2 or 3 years past. But recently, I ordered some cable from this company for a customer in Thailand. We ordered 3 for him, they arrived about 2 months later with a difficulty to contact with Brad the maker. He postponed my order from 2 weeks to 1 month and after 1 month...he said he shipped the goods on USPS with a tracking number. Another 2 weeks passed, and still USPS didn't update the status, and sending him emails was useless because he never replied to our email. However, the interesting part is that we tried sending him some emails,from a different email accounts that he didn't know that it was our email account too, and he immediately replied all those emails. Making me think this man would not going to send me any order for sure. So, I decided to cancel the payment via PayPal by informing them we did not receive the order in timely manner. Paypal immediately banned his Paypal account and waited for an investigation. Within 24 hrs, Brad sent me a bunch of emails telling me that what I was doing will effect his business through PayPal and beg me to close the case with PayPal and that he will send my order immediately. But I insisted I will close the case whenever I receive all my order. Suddenly, 5 days later the shipment arrived, so I closed the case with PayPal not knowing something is about to happen after that. When I passed the cables to my customer, the cables were dead meaning it won't pass any signal and didn't make sound. So, I immediately emailed Brad about this. He said to send him the cable and he will repair it and ship it to me within 2 weeks. I would not send him back cables if I had other choices, so I shipped him back the cables. It is almost 1 year now, and I still do not receive my cables back, and Brad is kind enough not to reply my emails anymore. We are Thai company who do audio business in BKK for a living. And look what an american company who live in a much more civilized and much more developing country did to us here. Shame for him. I never trust anybody in online business again since then.
Just want to add this, in case someone will fall into this company's trap again. be careful!!!
Sorry to hear your unfortunate story...but don't let one bad seller spoil it for the rest of the excellent online sellers.
I do it all in the name of music!!!
Thank you for your comfort, Wirewizard!!! I understand there are many other excellent and great companies out there in the world of internet. We still do many business online with companies in USA and elsewhere around the world. But what I am disappointed about this company is that, he think he is rightful to do fraud business with anyone without fear and shame and still running his business as if nothing ever happened. I admire him for his ignorance to his own mind, I don't know how he can carry his business on with his mind knowing how many innocent customers he cheated on in the past. I wish when he died by his age (I am not cursing him to die by any means because it is not my wish to see him die because of this, except his own age will allow) he will be able to bring all the money he has cheated people before his last moment together with him to another world. People forget why they born in this world. To live and be remembered by others, or to live without anyone's grief when he apart from this cruel world.
Regards,
Paisan
and Brad sent it to me in a timely fashion (a couple days late, but no big deal) and didn't ask for payment, etc until I was through with my eval. The cable is very good, btw.
I'm not saying what happened in the past is incorrect or irrelevant, just saying I am 1-for-1 with Brad and have no issues right now. Maybe he's got his act together. Let's hope so, cuz his cables are good (used his power umbilicals on my Modwright gear, but never dealt with him directly until now).
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You don't need to prove if my message is correct or incorrect. What I was trying to express is not my feeling, but a warning to those innocent buyers who would probably get in his business's trap again. You may want to continue order cables from him as long as you want, but I am for one will not take any chance to do business with anyone who will likely from time to time cheat their customers by his fancy website and all products's trap (in their website) which claimed to be great in audio performance. No matter how good are his cables, what good would it be if you won't get what you paid for?
Best regards,
Paisan
When there are million of reputable audiophile companies selling cables. I feel bad for the Thai dealer, looks like he was very courteous to this charlatan.
Edits: 08/30/11
I ordered a cable from RAL, before I read all the stuff on the net.
The order was placed on Oct. 26th. I confronted Brad with the rumours and the fact that the USPS trackingnumber didn't change, but I received the cable -as promised by BRad- on Nov. 18th.
Works excellent, nice cable... maybe I was lucky?
Regards
Mike
hey wait, mvangaans what happened to your user profile. It says "user deleted"
something smells rotten in Denmark.
your from Noord-Brabant ?
I must say that this "revelation" about revelation came just in time. I was about to have him make me a cable and purchase another one as well. Now, well -- I'll have to find someone who can make this for me.
Awfully glad I did the due dilligence to discover the reality of dealing with this guy.
Was (ironically) recommended in his direction from an audiophile on Audiogon in response to an inquiry I had concerning the cable I desire.
Watch as I wipe my forehead here in relief. Thanks to you all for the alert.
I just got some more info from the Florida AG on other courses of action that can be taken as well as the AG office investigation. Hope these links might help others:
--Toren
You may also wish to contact the Internet Crime Complaint Center, a
combined effort of the National White Collar Crime Center and the FBI to
combat Internet fraud, by telephone at (800) 251-7581, or visit that
agency's website at:
http://www.ic3.gov
The following websites may be helpful to you:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/billed.htm
http://myfloridalegal.com
(follow the path at Consumer Protection/Protecting Yourself Against
Consumer Fraud)
In addition, you may contact the following consumer agencies as you seek
to resolve your individual complaint:
Federal Trade Commission
Toll-free: (877) 382-4357
Internet: http://www.ftc.gov
Better Business Bureau of Northeast Florida
Phone: (904) 721-2288
Internet: http://www.bbbnefla.org
Finally, Florida's Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act provides
individuals with a private remedy to bring an action for damages,
attorney's fees and court costs. If you need help finding a lawyer, The
Florida Bar offers a Lawyer Referral Service which you may contact
toll-free at (800) 342-8060. If you cannot afford to hire an attorney,
you may be eligible for low cost or pro bono assistance through a local
legal aid office. The Florida Bar can assist you with this process.
This thread deserves to be pinned and heavily linked! It's on the first page of Google results, thankfully, but hopefully we can push it to the top.
Brad Vojtech who operates Revelation Audio Labs is a known con man and thief.
Check this thread, too:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f11/revelation-audio-lab-ral-they-crooks-283121/
He's also been officially banned from Audiogon.
I have personally been swindled for over $3000 by this guy and can provide extensive email proof.
Please feel free to contact me for more info, and I can send you all the emails we exchanged, complete with his ever-more-fantastic excuses.
I actually got a biwire set of speaker cables in August 2007 (apparently I was lucky as many buyers were not getting anything at that time). However, I sent them back to him to have them reterminated (at a cost of $400) and he apparently sold them to someone else, then started with the lame excuses.
I have been following up with calls to various Florida agencies as noted in this thread and the one at HeadFi, and feel free to call the church where he works (!!) as well: call (386) 503-4472, and speak to Pastor David Jacobs.
We need to keep the pressure on. Will any of us get cables or our money back? Unlikely, but if we can stop him from continuing to defraud people, that's something, anyway. I've been contacting all the audio magazines in hopes they'll do a story, and I encourage anyone else who has been defrauded to contact them as well. If TAS and others get dozens of emails, they'll hopefully feel forced to investigate and publish something.
--Toren Smith
I can be contacted via this temporary email address for 90 days:
tuny-1d0s@spamex.com
I report in this 3D too (i wrote on headfi forum too) my sad experience....
Mr.Vojtech stole thousands of $ from me and a friend of mine. About nearly $5.500!
We made a first order on December 31 2006 (yes....you understood right...december 2006.. and he told us that it would have taken 20 days to get all the cables shipped via FedEx!!) and a second one (he told us that it was just a strange issue with the cable cooker and that he would have shipped all the cables just after a week) on February the 7th.
We never received the most part of the order...and 2 of the few ones received (after more then 6 months) were defective cables too (never replaced). At least...the huge lost amount i reported is correct.
He made up bullshit for all this time...personal and professional bullshit to take time and time keeping on pulling us. He didn't reply to our mails for months and months too. Yesterday i noticed the advert of the Audiogon ban on AudioAsylum...too late i suppose.
Such a thief....i'm hopeless. If anyone will consider a legal action toward that man...please keep me informed.
Forgot to add...i do really apologize for my bad english...i'm from italy.
Regards,
Luciano
ps: obviously i have all the documentation relates to the facts reported. And i sent it to Audiogon today.
If you've been ripped off by Vojtech, I highly recommend complaining to the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, Division of Consumer Services, 2005 Apalachee Pkwy, Tallahassee, FL 32399-6500. They are aware of his scams and will investigate matters.
Since he uses a PO Box on his website and generally ignores emails or the phone once he's taken your money, here is a better way to contact him:
Brad Vojtech/Revelation Audio Labs
26 Eastmoor Lane
Palm Coast, FL 32164
T: 386-586-3653
Fax: 386-437-5523
Thanks "nostatic"....i will try. Even if it seems no way to fill it correctly for international people. Will it work even for a person outside the US?
Best Regards,
Luciano
Did you charge the order to your credit card? If so, contact them immediately and dispute the charges. If he swindled you out of this much money, it's a felony. Report the crime to the Florida Attorney General's office, they will follow up. Additionally, his company is supposedly incorporated so you can file a complaint with the State Corporation Commission of Florida, too. I'd try to get his home address and then send certified letters demanding your money.
Here is the complete story...On 12/31/2006 we made a first order (taking in consideration his 30 days money back guarantee for all the cables) placed by credit card (my friend's credit card) for those items:
3 Precept Powercords in 2 meter lenght.
1 Balanced Interconnect in .5 meter lenght.
1 Digital CAT5 cable in 1 meter lenght.He never shipped the 3 powercords (and you know how much the cost!).
My friend received the balanced in a quite reasonable period.
I received the digital cable too (shipped and received just on August 2007!! Obviously sending many mails to him every week to get it - and the other cables - shipped) but....it was defective! It doesn't work at all...no signal transmission! He told me that he would have shipped a replacement in few days (and obviously i had to ship the defective one back to him once received the replacement)...but he didn't.
On February the 7th (2007) (always taking in consideration his 30 days policy..and, BTW, on the Audiogon advertisement was clearly reported as available even for the speaker cables!) i made a second order (he told me that all the cables of the first order were on the way to be shipped in few days......and that a cable-cooker failure was the reason of the delay) via money-wire for these cables (and i was told that they would have been shipped in about 10 days togheter with all the other cables):
2 pair of Testament Speaker Cables in 2.5 meters lenght each.
1 Balanced Interconnect in 1.5 meter lenght
1 Balanced Interconnect in 1 meter lenghtI received them on August 24 (2007)...obviously sending mails to him nearly every day...to get just about one comunication (i heard all the possible excuses from that man) per month from him;
The shorter one was defective (another one!)...he told me that he would have immediately shipped a replacement (together with the digital one and all the other cables he had to ship!)...but obviously he didn't.
The longer one was ok (WOW...i got 1 right cable from him!)....
The pair of speaker cables designed for the mid-high frequencies (as i wrote i ordered two pairs..one designed for the mid-high and the other one for the bass frequencies) were awful...totally unsatisfactory (and please take in consideration that i found his signal cable an excellent cable...with a great balance along all the spectrum). The one dedicated and designed for the bass frequencies was, instead, a nice cable.
He told me that, with no matter at all (he immediately suggested it..before any request made by me), he would have shipped a replacement (made in a different way...taking in consideration the bad results reported for the one designed for the mid-high frequencies) for the "accused" pair. I suppose it was his first pair of cables made just and only for the mid-high frequencies...but i don't know. Anyway he was - just in words obviously - so willing to make a replacement to get a better result.
So, personally, i paid:
2 Precept in 2 meters lenght
1 Balanced interconnect in 1 meter lenght
1 Balanced interconnect in 1.5 meter lenght
1 digital CAT5 cable (for my Accuphase combo - Dp-800/Dc-801 - wich i sold in the meanwhile)
2 Pairs of Testament Speaker CablesAnd that's what i could use (considering that obviously i do not use the speaker cables for the bass and mid-bass frequencies with other different cables for the upper range)...
1 Balanced Interconnect in 1.5 meter lenght
The friend of mine ordered those cables:
1 Balanced Interconnect in 0.5 meter
1 Precept in 2 meters lenghtHe got only the interconnect.
That's our experience. I thought that his dreadful behaviour was just toward us (not having found any 3d or negative feedback on Audigon about this man!!)...now i know that it wasn't. He didn't reply to our mails for months and months....he gave us new shipping schedule every now and then...but, anytime, all the scheduled dates passed without a shipment.
Once again, and considering that i run it off, i apologize for my english.
Luciano (Italy)
To all who have been ripped off by Revelation Audio Labs, here is the link to the Florida Attorney General's office where you can file an online complaint:
- http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/4492d797dc0bd92f85256cb80055fb97/030e31f06ef0184d85256cc600706904!OpenDocument (Open in New Window)
Did you charge the order to your credit card? If so, contact them immediately and dispute the charges. If he swindled you out of this much money that's a felony. Report the crime to the Florida Attorney General's office, they will follow up. Additionally, his company is supposedly incorporated so you can file a complaint with the State Corporation Commission of Florida, too. I'd try to get his home address and then send certified letters demanding your money.
RAL is a con business, and the owner Brad is a crook:Head-fi: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/revelation-audio-lab-ral-they-crooks-283121/
Audiogon: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?fcabl&1197379318&read&3&4&
I first did business with Brad at the end of 2005. I purchased more cables in 2006 and never had the kind of troubles that others report. I noticed that things were going to hell for Brad last year when a good friend and previous cutomer of Brad's was unable to get his cable. I suspect that Brad used the money for his family, and then failed to pay his suppliers and fulfull his orders.
I feel that Brad acted dishonestly with his customers, and he will find it almost impossible to regain the trust he previously had.
The sad thing about all of this is that Brad made very nice cables.
Regardless of the quality of his cables' quality or his personal issues, his business practices are reprehensible. If he takes a person's money and then doesn't deliver the product, that's theft — plain and simple.
My advice is if you've been ripped off or jerked around by this guy, use every legal means possible to get what you're owed. If enough disgruntled folks complain to the attorney general's office of Florida, they'll make sure his scams come to an end. Also, inform you credit card about what's going on and they'll pursue matters, too.
nt
Unfortunately, the Gon seems to be only interested in profit.
nt
Because he was a frequent advertiser. Guess they were more interested in the $$$ than protecting members.
Audiogon really fell short in protecting their members from getting scam by Brad. I wrote Audiogon in October about Brad and other members have been complaining about RAL as far back as 2006. I used to believe there was some merit to Audiogon's feedback system. If you look up RAL's feedback ratings, there isn't one negative feedback. I don't think it was because there weren't anyone willing to submit a negative fb. Audiogon probably would not approve a negative fb unless there was an actual completed transaction, and of course that was where the problem laid.....no one ever received the goods that they paid for.
Take Audiogon's feedback system with a grain of salt. A 100% positive fb rating on any given member doesn't mean you won't get burn.
Audigon's feedback system is a joke unfortunately it's "buyer beware"
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