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In Reply to: Re: Kit 1 vs kit 2 posted by MikeRanfft on June 19, 2005 at 20:03:56:

Well dull is in direct comparison terms -- when you are A/B-ing the speakers then that's what came out in comparison to the silvered versions. But then IMO when you pay more you should get more otherwise why would anyone ever buy a higher level of speaker?
The E/L still trounces the B&W N801 - an example of a company where you pay a LOT more and get a lot less.

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Re: Kit 1 vs kit 2 - MikeRanfft 19:10:37 06/20/05 (11)
I think the AN E/L's are a pretty great value in both finished or kit implementation. The E's seem to be pretty articulate across the frequency continuum, even in L wiring. But silver wiring definately makes a very lucid sound, in any AN speaker.
I am presently using Linn wiring but am likely moving to some L speaker cable (last years' Lexus) and will be interested to see how this interacts with my AN E/L.
Mike
- Re: Kit 1 vs kit 2 - RGA 01:58:48 06/21/05 (10)
  Yes I was just listening to a fellow who recently bought the K/Spe in Oak and he had a get together at his place so we listened to the K's and Gershman Acoustics X1/Sub1 a fine system. One guy brought his AN L cables but I could not really evaluate any cables as we kept changing amps sources and speakers - so who knows what caused what sound. I can say I liked the $30.00 but modded a bit Sonic Impact Class T amp over the Musical Fidelity A3 power amp with a preamp connected. I was surprised.
  Someone brought a Roksan Radius 5 turntable so I'm going to try and keep that in my head when I listen to the AN TT1 Table. The Roksan uttelry embarrassed my player and the hosts Pro-Ject Debut II and M97Xe cart. The Roksan had a MC cart and costs about the same as the TT1 but the Roksan LOOKS so damn cool. I wish I could A/B the two -- the only thing don't like is that there is no cover.
  Soundhounds has a deal on some older models of the TT1...we'll see I need to get a job for the summer and finding a job here is brutal.
  - Re: Kit 1 vs kit 2 - MikeRanfft 07:16:08 06/25/05 (9)
    Ah the search for a good vinyl rig-I remember it well. And good audio will always cost money. I wanted to ask you how much of a toe-in you are using for your speakers.
    Mike
    - not much... - RGA 22:26:08 06/25/05 (8)
      the front corner is about 10 inches from the side wall and the back corner 6 inches - My room is 13X15 or so and I suppose I sit about 8 feet back with the speakers about 8 feet apart -- the tweeter maybe cross a few inches in front of my face. I have experiemented quite a lot and this is working for me -- they are simply sensitive to subtle changes but seem to me to work in any of the spots I've tried but just differently in those spots. I have them about 17 inches from the corner point. Soundstaging and imagig work here well and i retain most of the bass depth -- I will be getting some side and rear wall treatments to try out as it only costs me $30.00Cad. If i don;t like it I can use it for my other speakers. I got rid of a big leather chair from my room so tomorrow I'll have to see what happens to the treble - I have a pretty dense room carpeted -- but all my walls are bare.
      One fellow who bought the K (he wanted to see if I was really a nut or not) obviously liked them - but he put these sound doorstopper things on top of the K. He felt his Gershman's image and soundstaged better. I'm not convinced. The K's can sound vague on some recording and not on others so it seems to follow his CbyC philosophy. I would just fiddle with them regarding toe in.
      have you ever tried them facing straight ahead? One day I will try it just to see what happens. Soundhounds sort has it like that and they seem to work well.
      - Re: not much... - MikeRanfft 20:11:22 06/27/05 (7)
        
        In Reply to: not much... posted by RGA on June 25, 2005 at 22:26:08:
        
        I think that a lot depends on the level of cables used too, as it has a bearing on the frequency extension in the bass, midrange harmonics etc.
        Richard, I use 1 1/2 " toe-in and this seems to work for me. So the speakers are each 3 1/2" -5" away from the wall and 4 1/2" each away on the inside from the fireplace hearth that comes out about 4" from the wall and extends from speaker to speaker. I have found that if I increase the toe-in by half and inch the sound becomes drier and loses some sparkle and harmonic richness across the spectrum.
        I sit about 8-14' away from the speakers and they are aobut 6' apart on the inside.
        I think if the speakers were faced straight ahead they would lose imaging, and the sound become too diffuse. But it would be interesting to spend an afternoon adjusting inch by inch and assessing.
        I agree that the AN speakers interact a lot with their environment.
        Sorry, but I find it hard to understand/visualize your measurements.
        Mike
        
        Re: not much... - RGA 18:24:47 06/28/05 (6)
        
        In Reply to: Re: not much... posted by MikeRanfft on June 27, 2005 at 20:11:22:
        
        Frankly I think they are extremely room friendly speakers because they rarely sound anything less than good no matter where you put them -- but good and magic are not the same and to get the magic requires a lot of work.
        I am trying to Finish the system off with a good turntable - and the TT1 soundhounds got a deal on some older ones -- but the deal price is not a helluva lot lower than the price listed on DR. Cope's site as iour dollar is way better than it used to be.
        I need a job this summer real soon. All this education and business background and Nanaimo has nothing. I'll send an e-mail to soundhounds to see what kind of trade in value the NAD 533?shure 97 has -- not much I'm betting, My Senn HD 600s/ ASL headphone amp I would part with as well.
        I'm going to start pulling out my hockey card collection -- LOL. What's a slightly creased Mario Lemieux Rookie card going for these days?
        
        Re: not much... - MikeRanfft 06:44:21 07/01/05 (5)
        
        In Reply to: Re: not much... posted by RGA on June 28, 2005 at 18:24:47:
        
        Are you going with a TT1 Richard? Just wanted to give a plug for a TT2, though of course we're into a lot more dollar wise unless it comes in used. But the second motor really adds a lot more dynamic range, etc. You probably know I reviewed it favorably compared to a Linn Lingo on AA.
        Mike
        
        Re: not much... - MikeRanfft 06:54:06 07/01/05 (4)
        
        In Reply to: Re: not much... posted by MikeRanfft on July 1, 2005 at 06:44:21:
        
        Whoops, just saw you debating re the TT1/TT2 higher up on the site. Sorry, should have gone from top down.
        Mike
        
        Re: not much... - RGA 10:59:44 07/01/05 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Re: not much... posted by MikeRanfft on July 1, 2005 at 06:54:06:
        
        It's just the TT2 is full price -- So $1500.00US just for the table. I can get the TT1 with the ARM and IQ1 for $1700.00Cdn.
        But I have a feeling depreication is really high so I may put it off and wait for the TT2 (3-4years). I want to buy stuff from now on that I don't intend to upgrade. I simply need some good sources...both my vinyl and cd could use big improvements.
        There is a lot of vinyl I want to buy new but my turntable isn't good enough so I've put off buying some vinyl -- it may be that the cartridge needs an upgrade most badly. I've had it for 2.5 years now or so and it was slightly used when I got it. (Shure M97Xe). The stock Goldring cart was truly terrible.
        I could swing a few hundred on the cartridge - but I don't know how to put it on nor do I have the equipment. Paul put it on for me with all these measuring instruments. I would like to learn so I don't have to lug the table all the way to Soundhounds. Can you tell I grew up on CD?
        
        Re: not much... - MikeRanfft 12:05:19 07/01/05 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Re: not much... posted by RGA on July 1, 2005 at 10:59:44:
        
        Hi Richard,
        It's hard deciding what to do when for sure. The TT2 is tough on your budget though it is a great TT, and as you are aware good sources make a really huge difference.
        Have you thought of the Rega 2 as an interim table- it is another way to go. You'd lose less when you trade it in. Some say the arm on the Rega 2 is the best of the Rega arms-apart from the wiring.
        Speaking of sources, I am breaking in a AN 1.1DAC Sig Mk 2, using my Arcam '72 as a transport for now. Pretty superb right out of the box.
        Mike
        
        Re: not much... - RGA 16:28:23 07/02/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: not much... posted by MikeRanfft on July 1, 2005 at 12:05:19:
        
        Wow congrats ont he DAC -- That is on my list.
        I have the Rega 2 right now. The NAD 533 is a rega 2 clone made by Rega for NAD -- the difference is the colour. The NAD 533 has the modded Rega 250 arm.
        The other thing is that the TT1 has gotten so many raves from every quarter that in someways it could very well serve as an interim high end table. It did win product of the year in Britain for a couple years running -- and while I don't go by the reviews chances are it's no slouch.
        
        Re: not much... - MikeRanfft 06:19:59 07/03/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: not much... posted by RGA on July 2, 2005 at 16:28:23:
        
        Sorry, I did not know that NAD rebadged a Rega 2 as their own. Yes, the AN TT1 is a great value and has got to be a great performer to have received those reviews. Brian here certainly seems to enjoy his TT1 a lot. Maybe if you buy a TT1 by the time you are ready to go to the next level Peter will have fashioned the external power supply for the TT2. (He seems to want to do this but other projects have taken precedence right now.)
        Mike

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