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In Reply to: RE: What Are Your Sources? posted by Luminator on June 05, 2016 at 21:33:50
Lummy-
outstanding overview! Did you ever try a NAD cd player w/ the Thiel ?
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In 2004, I used some slim-line NAD DVD player, in systems with the Thiel CS2.4. Sorry, I do not know or recall the NAD's model number.
In the mid-90s, I did still have my NAD 5000 CD player. Yes, I did use it in systems with the Thiel CS.5 and CS1.5.
Also from the 90s, I vaguely recall using an NAD integrated amp (314?) with my Thiels.
Anyway, you can't really make out the Thiel CS2.4 in this photo. But it was used with the Esoteric DV-60 and NuForce 9SE. Awful, awful, awful combination. Sterile, whitish, artificial.
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Thanks! for sharing- Rich.
Believe it or not, my experience with the Jolida 3502 was really quite good with the Thiel 2.2, but only with the KT150's.
With the EL34s, bass was flabby as soon as I turned it up. Also, better still, run as an amp only W/separate pre.
As an integrated, it was pretty good still, but a little too much on the tubey side.
I do think the 2.4s are little more power hungry than the 2.2s, but the 3502 is 65w so it shouldn't be a problem.
I too am looking for an amp similar to what you are, as I don't use the preamp stage of the Jolida, bit of a waste.Anyway, the 3502 is versatile, taking many tubes. one of the few that take KT150's that I know of.
Anyone hear the Allnic A-2000 or Dennis Had fire bottle with KT150s?
Edits: 07/21/16 07/21/16
Thanks! for sharing- jhrlrd
NAD 5000 the worse CD player I have ever owned!
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Lummy-
to re-cap;
a few years ago I got my 1st taste of Thiel 2.4 speakers w/ one of the Creek integrated amps (older) and a NAD 565BEE cd player w/ Audioquest cabling. I was hooked immediately!
On my integrated short-list to consider;
Creek Destiny
ML No. 585
B.A.T.
In AA's reviews section, see mine of the Creek Destiny integrated amp.
Many Thanks! for the Destiny review- Lummy.
back in those days, which cd player, was the best sonic match w/ the Creek?
Sorry man, I've been busy, answering audiophiles' emails. For years, I'd average 6 different 'philes a day. But lately, it's been about twice that. The majority of those audiophiles thank me for sheer variety of popular music, over on Rocky Road. The rest stay on topic, including the Thiel CS2.4.
Because it curtails the treble, I cannot recommend the Creek Destiny CD player.
You know what? If you're looking at one-box CD players, the Creek Destiny integrated amp had the most fun with the CAL Icon Mk.II HDCD. And you didn't need expensive cables, either. Just scour the used market (or your closet), and get the old Kimber PowerKord and original XLO Reference Type 1. Then stick everything on the Cable Cooker, and voila!
Another option is to get a CAL Delta CD transport, one of today's DACs, and a decent digital cable. This is especially true, if you are a pop music fan, on account of the Delta's small but focused imaging, top end extension, and excellent PRAT.
Do yourself a favor. If you don't have it, go out and find Marty Friedman's Dragon's Kiss CD. Then play track 6, "Jewel." With this track, co-written with Jason Becker, Stereotypical Audiophile CD players fall flat on their face. Listen how these SA products muffle expression, lop off extension, squash dynamics, distort textures and timbres, blunt the snare drum, and blur the imaging.
The CAL Delta plus an honest and clean-sounding DAC will convey the emotion, breath, and gist of "Jewel." Assuming you have decent interconnects and powercords, the Creek Destiny integrated amp will preserve those vibes.
All right, back to answering emails...
Lummy-
did you like the CAL over the Adcom spinner?
That's not a proper comparison. The CAL was a $1495 single-disc player. The Adcom was a mass-market $700 CD changer.For those of you who follow my homepage, starting in 2009, I covered the CAL Icon Mk.II Power Boss.
In March 2012, I did an extensive review of the Adcom GCD-700. My readers were hootin' and hollerin', over the lingerie.
If you are paying attention to what other posters with experience have written, the Adcom GCD-700 makes a really fun transport.
One thing I neglected to blog about was after-market fuses. Because the GCD-700 has 5 or 6, the cost of the fuses might exceed that of the GCD-700 itself!
Again, assuming we have matched the speaker to the room, the most important factor is the source. The source sets the table, and everything else downstream only introduces errors. SAs rarely grasp this concept, and that is why they keep chasing their tails.
Anyway, in the photo above, you can barely make out the Thiel CS2.4. It was at the receiving end of a system comprising the Cary CD-303/300 (awful); Simaudio P-8 (at its price, its slight warmth precludes it from getting a recommendation); and Meridian G57 (not bad; would prefer to be used with other Meridian G-series components). Oh, and can you make out the slim-line NAD DVD player?
Edits: 06/08/16
Nice pic! Lummy
Is CAL still in business? If not, what happened to this company?
Love how these threads get hijacked into something totally off the original intent.
Don't want a tube input / solid state output integrated like the BAT. Been there, done that with other hybrid integrateds. Looking strictly for tubed output.
Not a hijack, just a very nice flow of info.
So, which amp are you going to buy?
isn't CAL out of business? Are there service/parts still aval for these spinners?
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