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In Reply to: RE: I believe it is true for you, but clearly not for everyone else...nt posted by johns dad on November 05, 2015 at 06:26:16
So you have no Experience with the Cary 805B and ARC on a whole , yet you are willing to condemn them as the problem with toobs.. :)
OTL's is the way to go , but they have serious limitations, the speakers set the amplifiers, not the other way around, find the right SOTA speakers and chances are you will be well ahead in the game.
Ask Paul McGowan.. :)
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Any other words you want to put into my mouth?
I have a great deal of experience with ARC both at shows and at 2 friends homes. Nothing special and certainly not even close to the best I heard using push pull. Overpriced for what you get IMO. Listen to the CAT amps sometime.
Do I have to hear every model in a product line before I can make a statement about a "house" sound? I have never heard a Cary product that I liked. I seriously doubt the 805A will be any different but I admit I havent heard this model. Slow and slovenly sounding compared with Tron or Border Patrol to give 2 examples. Feeding the power tubes properly in SET amps is critical.
I have owned over 6 S.S. amps in the last few years and at least 5 tubed (both ultra linear, P.P. and SET). I have had at least another 6 amps in my house for repair, inspection or audition. I have been listening seriously to 2 channel for over 28 years and attend just about every show. None of this makes my opinion any more significant, but dont believe that it is an opinion based on anything but experience.
OTLs are the best I have heard but I have never owned a speaker that worked properly with them and I refuse to use an auto-former.
For the record I dont think that ARC, Cary or Rogue products are the problem with tubes. I do feel that products from these manufacturers help reinforce the negative generalizations often associated with tube amplifiers.
Yes, the CAT JL-2 signature is pretty good as well (I didn't mention it in my post above); however, my friend who owned one also had a NAT SE2SE MK II that ultimately we found to sound superior to it on his big Apogees.
I'm not putting words , you stated you may need to listen to more ARC , implying what? you also stated you did not hear the 805B, yet you commented on them and if you have any experience as stated , you know you cant just hook an SET to any speaker.
As to ARC, I'm not a big fan myself, as VTL, toobs need to be matched to speakers more so than SS, so it takes time to fully say , No. The Cary 805B with the right speaker is no slouch.
I would only be interested in toobs again , if i get one of these ...
Just saying ...
If done right you can even power amp-eaters like the old Infinity speakers with an SET. These dip to 1.6 ohms impedance at one point in the FR! Here's mine in action for a local audio club get-together at my place:
Edits: 11/05/15 11/05/15
So get one... and then invite me over to hear your Vinage horns with toobies... :)
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