|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
160.62.7.250
In Reply to: RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? posted by Dave_K on September 21, 2015 at 06:21:47
"mainstream SS they sound tippy"
No wonder they have extended treble that let's you know what is going wrong up there.
Follow Ups:
The Thiel speakers I've heard are not neutrally balanced. They suffer from a rising treble response on axis and a recessed midrange. Even if you set them up with no toe-in they are still brighter than what is subjectively, or even objectively neutral.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/thiel-cs36-loudspeaker-measurements-part-2#XpFgijkujbgGdUdV.97
THe CS3.6 (arguably the best Thiel speaker) doesn't have a rising treble (the spike is above 20Khz).
http://www.stereophile.com/content/thiel-cs37-loudspeaker-measurements#MZWA5QC1pSJpIZVH.97
The CS3.7 rises about 2-3db on axis but the in-room response is smooth.
"The Thiels' spatially averaged response in his room (fig.8) gently rolls off above 7kHz, due to the increasing absorption of the furnishings in this region, but is superbly smooth and even between 200Hz and 7kHz"
http://www.stereophile.com/content/thiel-cs5-loudspeaker-measurements-0#oLeZemolXw65LeVX.97
Pretty flat overall considering how many drivers and 1st order xovers.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/thiel-cs72-loudspeaker-measurements#062UrujpFzlapz0d.97
Bit of a saddle shape on this one will give a somewhat distant perspective due to a bit of a depression in the "presence" region. This one is perhaps close to what you describe
My friend's CS3.7s don't sound tipped up or recessed in the mids.
"Even if you set them up with no toe-in they are still brighter than what is subjectively, or even objectively neutral.
"
Again, which amps did you use? They exaccerbate issues with the HF distortion and noise because they are less rolled off than a lot of soft dome tweeter speakers. Nowhere for such an amp to hide like with a lot of speakers.
I haven't heard any of the other Thiel models, but these were among the brighter sounding speakers I've heard. I know the driver integration is sensitive to listening height though and I can't remember whether the setups were ideal in that respect.
Regarding the 3.7 measured in Wes Phillips' room, his later review of the Vivid G1 has an in-room measurement of the G1 compared to the CS 3.7. The response of the G1 shows what many listeners consider a "natural" balance, which falls with frequency about 10dB from 20-20k, roughly along a straight line on a log-log plot. The Thiel's in-room response was flat to 5 KHz, which should sound subjectively bright.
Subjectively bright on the wrong amplifier, as the G1 on the wrong amplfier will sound dull ..
Like I said, I imagine Thiels would do well with medium power SETs. Conversely, I think I would prefer the Vivid speakers with those Soulution amps.
"Like I said, I imagine Thiels would do well with medium power SETs. Conversely, I think I would prefer the Vivid speakers with those Soulution amps.
"
You can imagine whatever you want. ;)
But, as I've been saying over and over, "IT'S A SYSTEM".
:)
It doesn't matter if "this or that" speaker sounds like this-or-that, within the context of the thread topic.
Edits: 09/22/15
Built it .......
Some Class -D have extended treble, you might want to knock your tweeter down a notch when auditioning, They are also very sensitive to power cords and speaker wire (RLC), never encountered anything before this sensitive to such.
Edits: 09/21/15
I think you mean distorted and noisy treble. Both of my SETS have flat frequency response beyond 20Khz...which is definitely extended enough, as did my NAT and KR amps before. None of them required a tweeter "knockdown" although they all extended well beyond the limit of hearing for all humans.
Yeah , Noisy , does respond to wires and cable thou, what list of tooby amps ..?
Post a Followup:
FAQ |
Post a Message! |
Forgot Password? |
|
||||||||||||||
|
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: