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In Reply to: RE: Because I don't agree with your reality it means I don't listen. posted by kuribo on August 09, 2015 at 14:31:05
That explains everthing. :)
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The only way to judge quantitative differences is through measured performance".....
The point being, there is no way to measure subjective performance and thus no metric to prove claims of "superior" or "better sound". There is no proving one's tastes are superior to another's. That's been the whole point.
If you make claims about the superiority of one topology or amp over another, the only claims that can be verified are those made about the quantitative, or measurable performance. If you want to argue specs, fine. Ncore can stand against the best.
The "live music" argument is a failure. We all have our own perceptions of what live music sounds like. Just like we all have our own preferences when it comes to which amp sounds best. It's subjective.
try it! you know you want to!
And what are yours?
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try it! you know you want to!
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try it! you know you want to!
It is through listening to familiar recordings.
But don't tell me your amp is "better" than mine. Or try to tell me my amp is inferior based on objective criteria unless you have the specs to back that up.
try it! you know you want to!
your metric charts give you the greatest listening pleasure.
Others recall musical performances. I get a regular dose with wifey playing her baby grand. :)
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try it! you know you want to!
Funny story about recording a baby grand in a friends house some 20 yrs ago , a real eye opener for sure ...
Finally to the meat of the argument. The old objectivist vs. subjectivist diatribe. I don't know about you though, my oscilloscope has never told me whether or not a particular input sounded good...yet.
I dont believe that Cab, your scope has never told you what sounds bad , how is that possible..
umm, you aren't making much sense...did you drink a bit today?
We are drinking the same my friend , cheers.... :)
Too much i guess ..
Edits: 08/09/15
Yeah, I got a few of those...but no longer have a deck to play them on. I sold it when I moved to London for a year. Wasn't getting much use at the time though. I was making recordings of small classical ensembles (up to quartet size) of my ex (a very talented violinist).
I don't know about you though, my oscilloscope has never told me whether or not a particular input sounded good..
It is evident that his exposure to the sound of live, unamplified music is limited.
All I can say is that for me the measurements should be viewed more as a quality control tool for the accurate replication of more audio devices. It allows the designer to see if something went wrong somewhere; either in the design or in a part gone bad.
It CAN be used for design optimization if used in conjunction with psychoacoustics, both models and listening tests. Supposedly Mr. Lamm developed a hearing model in his past and tunes his amps to match what his theory says should be the best for most humans. Seems to have worked pretty well overall I would say...so there are guys out there that know.
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