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In Reply to: RE: If you're OK with what Benchmark stands for - go for it. posted by carcass93 on April 23, 2015 at 14:46:48
> One thing you can be absolutely sure about: nobody was concerned with sonics in any way, when making those cables.
Well correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't just about everything we listen to been recorded after passing through "cheap" professional cables - much of it by Canare?
Recording studios use these cables for all the music we listen to, and miles of it compared to the 3 ft lengths of interconnect many of us want to spend hundreds or maybe even thousands on!
Your assertion that Canare is "unconcerned with sonics in any way" needs justification. I'm sure that if there was anything better at a sensible price (or that would improve the final recording), studios would use them instead.
When I bought my (now sold) ATC speakers some years ago direct from ATC, they gave me a pair of XLR interconnects made with similar cable. They commented that if it's good enough for use in the studios they install, it should also be good enough to link my new active speakers with my preamp.
I'm talking about balanced cabling only - there's some justification for spending much more for single ended
I agree your point about making the cables myself, but I'm happy to pay someone else to do this tricky job for me.
Peter
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Well correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't just about everything we listen to been recorded after passing through "cheap" professional cables - much of it by Canare?
This is largely a myth, or at least a wild exaggeration.
No doubt there is a lot of recorded music being produced with cheap cables with no consideration to how the cables might affect the result, just as there is a lot of recorded music being produced with cheap gear.
But many of the professionals who produce high quality recordings and some of the biggest names in the business use high end cables. For example, Gateway Mastering uses Transparent cables. Sterling Sound uses WireWorld. Channel Classics and Polyhymnia use van den Hul. Skywalker Sound uses MIT, and so does Michael Bishop & crew from the old Telarc (now 5/4). Bernie Grundman uses Cardas. MA Recordings and Chesky use Crystal Cable. I've also heard that Blackbird studios in Nashville and Masterdisk in New York use audiophile cables but I don't know which, and Abbey Road supposedly uses some custom audiophile type cables as well, a derivative of which was marketed to audiophiles under the Abbey Road name. I'm sure there's more.
I have no experience with Canare, but Mogami XLR microphone cables have been a favorite of mine for price/performance.
Most of those will get paid to use these cables.
Big studios these days make big losses. Many have shut down over the last 15 years and Abbey Road only continues to exist because it is a listed british heritage site.
Otherwise it would by now be an apartment block, a car park or a supermarket.
They are also getting paid to use B&W speakers and Classé amps, it was not a free choice.
I know of a few studios which produced high-quality recordings which were wired up using mains cable.
But the current situation suits both: The studios get a bit more cash flow and companies like MIT get to advertise their snake oil cables 'as used by the famous XYZ Studio.
Whose name I cannot remember, was interviewed many years ago about his achieved-dream barge studio, and IIRC it took two miles of van den Hul cable to wire up all his patch bays.
So, while I would not call it a myth, I would call it a canard when applied universally and dismissively.
JM
Bob Katz comes to mind
nt
See ya. Dave
"Your assertion that Canare is "unconcerned with sonics in any way" needs justification. I'm sure that if there was anything better at a sensible price (or that would improve the final recording), studios would use them instead."
I have to laugh at that. Have you heard what passes for mainstream recordings lately? Do you really think that recording engineers are concerned with anything other than the bottom line? Improving the final recording is not on their radar screens.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
OZZY, as a recording engineer I take offense with your statement. Please tell me what recording engineers you personally know that you are referring to. Also, please list the recording studios you have been to which fit the bill for how you describe the careless nature of the business.
Personally, all, if not most of the R.E., I know take extreme pride in their craft, equipment and work.
Also, Canare' is an honest company that makes a decent product. Is it the best there is.........well, no but then again it is good and can be used with satisfactory results in home applications. I actual use a star quad run to my subs in my home system.
> Do you really think that recording engineers are concerned with anything other than the bottom line?
That's just about the daftest thing I've read on this forum - and there's a lot of nonsense to chose from!
What's your line of work? How would you feel if someone were to say that no one in that line had any interest in doing their job properly?
The "bottom line" depends 100% on doing the job properly
Peter
Doing the job properly and producing a quality recording are not one and the same.
As for you and the other poster, I don't frequent recording studios. All I can speak to is the end result. And many times that is sub par.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
OZZY.....if all you listen to is top 40 kiddie pop....then you get what you listen to....serious music....for the most part is done well.
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