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In Reply to: RE: better than a marantz 7c for less money. modern or vitage NEED HELP ! posted by n.buzzard@hotmail.com on January 18, 2015 at 10:37:17
The Marantz 7C phono stage is really pretty poor by modern design standards. Unfortunately, you will see lots of 7C clone PC boards floating around on eBay, and lots of modern companies who are happy to just use the RIAA feedback EQ network, even though it's pretty terrible (an acceptable passively EQ'd RIAA preamp circuit is provided in the old RCA tube manual)
Look for a preamp that advertises passive RIAA equalization.
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How can you say such utter nonsense and appear serious ? Have you actually heard a comparison with a 7C or similar active feedback phono EQ preamp versus a "decent" passive EQ phono unit ? Do you really think the published RCA manual phono EQ, with or without an added buffer stage, sounds better ? On vintage classic records ?
I am wondering when you started listening to hifi stereo records ? You see, the vintage discs many of us grew up with were either cut with feedback EQ and/or played back over the air with active feedback EQ. Thus, many of us "remember" the timing of that era's music associated with feedback EQ equipped playback.
Most, if not all of the 45s from 1954 thru the early 1970s were cut with feedback EQ ! Likewise, most LPs from that era were cut with feedback EQ. Don't you think their playback should include the proper decoding ? Passive EQ will definitely change the timing encoded on these classic discs. Some may prefer the different sound imposed by passive EQ; but that does not make it better !
Today, the 7C is the bonafide world reference classic vintage full function preamp ! This is indisputable fact !
Yes, I have heard and owned a lot of feedback EQ phono preamps, mostly built into preamps and integrated amps. The difference between them and a decent passive EQ preamp is night and day, hence my recommendation.
The 7C is a highly collectible preamp, and very sought after, but I wouldn't seek to listen to one in a modern Hifi rig.
How about answering my question ? When did you start your hifi journey ? Do you listen with vintage discs ?
I am happy that you enjoy your modern stereo choices. Remember that your enjoyment factor is not any better than anyone else's...even the many, many thousands of us that listen with feedback EQ phono stages...Concerning your "night and day" consider that your night is someone else's day...this hobby has no right and wrong...Happy Listening !
I'm not going to derail this thread, as you seem more interested in me personally instead of the actual question at hand.
Yes, prefer equipment without a lot of negative feedback. If you like equipment with a lot of negative feedback, that's OK too.
I have to agree with Interstage. The Marantz 7 is just plain magical sounding. It may not measure the best, but for LP playback its tough to beat. and for low output MC Carts, use a Cotter step up and feed that into the 7 phono stage.
Getting back to the original posters Q, that is a tough call. Everything I have heard does not approach the Marantz 7.
for 2500 or under I would looking at the AI modulus 3A. Very nice sounding, but still not sonically the same as a 7.
happy listening
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