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In Reply to: RE: KRELL VANGAURD COMING!! posted by thebordas on July 12, 2014 at 08:10:51
Imo these guys have looong ago lost their way, in everything except pricings.
Once powerhouses for clean solid sounds.. no longer imo
If one must have audio(?) gear that has more 'functions' than an Android device... dig deep :-)
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the expression 'forbidden planet'? is it an idiom? does it mean anything sidelined or pushed aside?
thanks for interest.
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if it weren't for popular culture references.
roger wang.
While the jury might still out on Krell's post-Dan longevity, I think they are doing everything right as a small, high-end focused company.
I have been home auditioning the Foundation in my system for a week now and I am going to buy it. It's first and foremost a great analog preamplifier, DAC and multichannel processor. In order to keep the price within reach, Krell has left out video processing, wireless streaming capabilities, and any streaming apps, none of which are necessary in a processor these days given that you automatically get them on BD players, TVs and Apple TV type streamers.
The sound could not be clearer and cleaner, and yet it has a more involving and musical sound than even the high end Krell preamps I heard in the past.
And, thankfully, they have gone back to making all of their products in Connecticut (at least once they formally drop the s300 and s550 integrated amps).
I say this may be Krell's finest hour when it comes to high end audio.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
I started out with Krell amplifiers and sold off most of them but still my kps 25s is in use. To my surprise they still support their legacy products which is cool.
Do you know who's the chief designer for the current Krell?
I can't believe I read 29 posts about this and the most Important question was never asked. Where is this amp made? If it is made in China this whole thread is a joke.
Had you actually read all 29 posts you would have seen in more than one that all of the new Krell gear is made in Connecticut. I mentioned it and so did the OP.
But then you are Sudz, so you likely are trying to derail this thread anyway.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
It's a known fact that Krell has been making Intergrated amps and CD players in China the past couple of years. Dan was Krell for many years. If you are really a Krell fan you will buy Dan's gear. Why buy Imitation when you can buy the real thing.
the new Vanguard amp will be made in the USA.
I am sure that its MSRP will reflect that.
Obviously you missed one of the posts.
Following the Munich Hi Fi Show unveiling, we are excited to announce that worldwide shipments of the new Vanguard integrated amplifier begin next week. Following the rest of the line, the Vanguard will be manufactured at Krell in the USA.
$3500
dave_b
What do you use, Oh Great One? I have actually owned a crapload of various amps over the last 30years from most of the major companies. Overall, I found myself back to Krell more often than not....because they allow more of the music through in a realistic and convincing manner. As I said, who else makes an amp that delivers what Krell does for a better price? High End pricing is what it is, but within that paradigm, something like the new Vangaurd from Krell is a freakin steal!!
dave_b
We understand you like it.
I've owned only three Krell pieces over the years.
I loved the small KSA-50s amp. It was heavenly. The KAV-2250 amp was a powerhouse of dry sterile and grainy crap. The KAV-280p linestage was a bass monster but that's about it. My problem with Krell is inconsistency within their product line and over the years. It's a hit or miss proposition.
There's always a boat load of recent vintage Krell integrated amps for sale on Audiogon which makes me wonder if they're any good.
The Evolution Series were above everything else that Krell ever put out. But, that just me...
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
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You're probably right. I haven't tried anything recent from Krell. I just know that the KAV line wasn't great, and maybe that's how it was supposed to be. Wasn't the KAV line geared more toward home theater?
So are the new Foundation and as well as the Chorus models.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
The Foundation is an AMAZING analogue line stage preamplifier. So, while it is a HT digital processor as well, and a wonderful sounding one at that, Krell makes it for those of us who want a real two-in-one dedicated system that does not compromise on 2 channel analog sources.Also, though I have not heard any of the iBias amps yet because they are only trickling them out now. the Chorus 5200 and 7200 are in the same line and based on the same circuits and components as the Solos and the Duos, they just have more channels and put out less power. In other words, Krell is finally putting out top of the line multichannel amps. Their more affordable pricing is pretty much across the board now and not limited to the multichannel pieces, which I see as a positive. More money gets you more power for sure.
I don't think that's what Abe meant. Back in the day, Krell came out with the KAV series as a cheaper alternative to their high end gear. And while some of it was oriented to HT, not all of it was. In fact, Abe himself describes 2 channel only pieces, and I owned the KAV 300i integrated, which for some bizarre reason garnered great professional reviews, and sound as Abe describes his KAV pieces. Not musical at all.
The new stuff is all part of the same series basically, and the Foundation is a God-send to someone like me who had gotten tired of using a theater loop in a preamp or integrated to avoid having to use the processor as the preamp.
I'll be posting a formal review of the Foundation in the coming weeks.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
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While the KAV300i was not my cup of tea, it was replaced by the 300iL and then 400ixL.
I never heard the latter, but the 300iL was a huge improvement over the 300i. Much more musical and involving, but with even more power. So, some of the later KAV stuff was quite nice for its price.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
The new Krell HT system sound quality has increased by leaps and bounds from its older models. As the matter of fact I was just at my dealer last week auditioning their new fully automated HT set-up, which comprises of LED projection system with Stewart screen, Krell Foundation and the Chorus 7200 multi channel amp driving the Martin Logan's top of the line speakers.
What else can I say, it sounded almost real while listening to the Eagles and Led Zeppelin bluray concerts as it was very dynamic with a hint of warmth on the overall sound signature.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Actually, I assumed you and I were on the same page, but didn't want others to think you and Abe were comparing the new Krell stuff to their old KAV stuff.
Glad to hear that the Chorus sounds so nice. I have a fantastic local authorized dealer and integrator, so I'll definitely get a chance to home audition once he has a unit for demo.
The thing is, the Foundation is sounding so good with my Conrad Johnson MF2250 doing R and L mains and an old Rotel doing center and surrounds that I don't feel in any rush right now to upgrade the power amps. Though the matching Chorus would certainly look pretty in my audio rack. :-) I'd likely get the 5200 since I have a 5.1 only system and if I were to go up to 7.1, I'd just use the CJ for the rears or surrounds.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Thanks for clearing things up. Yes, my bad Krell experience revolves around the older 2-ch KAV products. I haven't heard anything more recent from Krell.
Kootenay-
very fine pic! That is one sweet rack.
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